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Working on an old score and the clunkiness of cross staff beaming has not gotten any better since the early 90’s. Here’s the current workflow:

  1. enter music in one staff
  2. Use the Note Mover tool to drag selected notes to the other staff
  3. Repeat step 2 a few times while cursing since it’s rare to select just the right handles the first or second time 
  4. go to the Special Tool and drag the beams where you want them
  5. Now click on the reverse beam tool to fix the backward note heads (again, manually checking the microscopic check boxes)
  6. go back to the Beam Mover special tool to fix what the Reverse Beam tool screwed up when dragging the staves 
  7. repeat the fun on the next measure 

surely in 2023 there is a better way to do this. TGT has a cross staff plug-in but it’s not intuitive, has zero documentation anywhere (and Tobias is awol these days and doesn’t seem to respond to inquiries about this) and is limited since it assumes a real split point. 

Another related issue: doing cross staff beaming between two different instruments only provides correct playback for the staff from which the notes originated. I’m sure that’s because Finale really considers cross staff notes to actually still reside on the native staff wheee they were entered. But it would be nice to enable notes to adopt the new staff. 

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That works! Much less clunkier than using the Note Mover tool. I've been using Finale since the early 90's and have never known of this shortcut. Thanks very much!!!

 

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TGT has a cross staff plug-in but it’s not intuitive, has zero documentation anywhere

 

Really?

https://usermanuals.finalemusic.com/FinaleMac/Content/Finale/pi-cross-staff.htm?Highlight=cross%20staff%20plug-in 

 

If I may make a suggestion, please temper your outrage over something that isn't being done properly when what you really want is to know how to do it. You might want to post such things in Problems and Questions first. Then, if there is no solution, yes, do a feature request.

 

If these boards had a Moderator, this would be moved to Problems and Questions—but they don't. Not your fault.

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@mike: Yeah, really. There is nothing on Tobias' site or PDF manual about this. Why on earth would I think to look at the online Finale help for a commercial plugin (not the built-in TGT lite, but the full TGTools I paid for)? 

And no, I wasn't asking how to do it. I've been doing it for decades now, and it is indeed clunky. And if you look on the Finale online manual, that is exactly how it describes creating cross staff notes manually. @jeremy above made a good suggestion of which I was not aware, but the "standard" way to create cross staff notes has always been with the Note Mover tool, followed by a lot of work with the Special Tools stuff.

Rather than kvetching to me about your belief that this should have been in Problems and Questions, maybe silence would have been better since Jeremy had already provided a useful and constructive answer. Rather than sending suggestions to tech support, someone there nicely suggested I post ideas here. I've been reluctant to do so since what inevitably happens is some folks here criticize people's suggestions more often than not and I really would rather just go directly to MM about some of these ideas.

Surely you've used Finale long enough to realize that dragging tiny handles individually and only within a single measure, as is widespread within the Special Tools items, is not ideal. So while yeah, there is now another way to do it (which was not clear to me from the TGTools plugin), the Note Mover approach is far less than ideal and really should either be deprecated or fixed. Hence my suggestion. 

And I suspect you just have not spent much time with those of us from Philly if you think this qualifies as "outrage." 

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  1. enter music in one staff
  2. Use the selection tool to select the range of notes to cross-staff
  3. use Shift+Alt+[up or down arrow key] to send them up or down to the desired staff
  4. This is how it works in Windows.  Looks like you are on Mac.  Maybe there is a Mac equivalent.
    UPDATE:  looks like Mac users: <option>+<up/down> when using 2014 or later
  5. Cheers, happy new year
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