Suggestions and advice are also welcome.
Add the following entries into your Playback Dictionary as staff text:
spicc: -mart -saut -tast -rico -stacc -deta +spicc
lspicc: -ldeta -lstacc -lsaut -lmart +lspicc -ltast
stacc: -mart -spicc -saut -tast -rico -deta +stacc
lstacc: -ldeta +lstacc -lsaut -lmart -lspicc -ltast
mart: -saut -tast -rico -spicc -stacc -deta +mart
lmart: -ldeta -lstacc -lsaut +lmart -lspicc -ltast
saut: +saut -tast -rico -spicc -stacc -deta -mart
lsaut: -ldeta -lstacc +lsaut -lmart -lspicc -ltast
For all of these Staff Text entries in your playback dictionary, you'll want the "Until next sound ID change" option.
This image just shows an example of putting in the spicc technique.
These become 'sticky nodes', and when combined with nodes that Sibelius inserts automatically as it plays, like staccato, staccato.legato, portato, etc, they induce special articualtion key switches in ARIA.
So at the beginning of a stave enter what you desire for stand alone notes with staccato markings and staccato marked notes living under slurs as the defaults as technique text.
For example: If I want a piece to start out translating notes (not living under slurs) with a staccato mark (dot) over them as 'spiccato', and staccato notes that live under slur marks as 'martele', then I'd just enter technique text into the score like so:
They could be typed into separate entries, or entered on the same line. If you do not want them to show up when printed out you can either hide them, or add a tilde at the beginning like so:
Now imagine that some bars later I've decided to change from martele to sautille for staccato notes living under slurs. All I'd need to do is enter a text technique on the staff for "lsaut". This will drop the lmart node and add our new lsaut node, and now all staccato notes living under a slur will be played sautille until you do something that cause Sibelius to drop the lsaut node.
If you ever get conflicting results in the middle of a score, remember that you can clear all nodes down to the default souldworld id of a staff by sending [reset]. From there you can start over.
Here is a crude example score (For several versions of Sibelius. if you need a format older than Version 6 let me know) that has most of the supported techniques already entered in the playback dictionary.
This example repeats multiple times, and demonstrates how one can use the inspector tool to limit the text based instructions to a given pass.
Once you load my example score, you can export the playback dictionary as a house style, and import it into existing scores if you like. If you're on Sibelius 8, Information on House Styles can be found in section 8.2 of the Sibelius Reference Manual. Not sure where it is in other version's manuals, but it shouldn't be too hard to 'search'.
Here is a thread of various discussions about the soundset:
Also, I've found a bug where using col legno might force another instrument to load that isn't really necessary. I'll try to get that fixed, and add the rest of the string techniques provided in GPO5 soon.
Please feel free to look at the soundset in an xml editor (or with the editor Sibelius Provides). You can always tweak it more to your needs!
Also, be aware that you still get other solo string instruments that are legacy duplicates of the old GPO4 strings. In the case of Solo Violins I think you get at least 4 instruments in total (Some based Guraneli, Stradivarius, and Gagliano).
Subsequent variations of an instrument simply have a number at the end of the default node. I.E.
strings.violin (default GOS Violin)
strings.violin.2 (Guraneli GPO4 Violin)
These should work exactly like they did in GPO4 (all I did was change the library nodes from GPO4 to the ones needed by GPO5, everything else is the same).
For the most part with the legacy strings, you just load them and that's it. Sibelius does the rest. Use legato nodes (or slur marks) if you need shorter attacks, and experiment with different note-on velocity values (done via the note inspector, and live playback must be enabled).
The legacy strings are controlled a lot different than the new Orchestral Strings that came with GPO5, they sound quite different, and may well suit the needs of a given score better than the default solo violin. So do try the other solo and section strings as well. Also, do not be afraid to mix and match them on a stave using the "Change Instrument" feature of Sibelius.
You can change the instrument for a stave with the Mixer, in the "Home/Instruments/Setup" tab, or with "Instrument Changes" (also found in "Home/Instruments).
Also be aware of CC parameter 119!
This is the same thing as the 'start' knob that shows up in the "standard" version of Garritan Orchestral Strings. I'm not sure why, but this knob is missing in the 'notation' version, and it's not documented very well that CC119 can automate this control. Even though the knob is missing in the control panel for the notation versions, CC119 can still change the sample offset.
I've provided switches for nodes long (CC119,0), short (CC119,64), shorter (CC119,94), and shortest (CC119,127), where one can change the offset of where a sample starts playing back. Shortest starts later in the sample, so there is less of a 'swell' effect on attacks. The downfall to this is that vibrato starts a bit sooner as well. Still, it helps a LOT, particularly with fast passages.
I think I've got things set to use the shortest attack for regular sustains possible by default which will eventually over-ride any manual ~C119 settings you add to a score, so it's probably best to apply it to any and all individual notes you want manually adjust.
Instead of using my short, shortest, and long nodes, you might opt to just manipulate CC119 on your own by simply entering a text technique attached to a given note.such as ~C119,127
Lower values leave more of the attack in play (as if the bow starts from a stand still and amplitude ramps up).
Higher values (up to a max of 127) change the offset so less of the attack is played, and things start out at a higher amplitude.
Using slur marks adds a CC68 legato switch. This can also help produce a cleaner attack. Add slurs and hide them if you don't want them printed, or create a text expression that sends a 'legato' node.
For the legacy strings, CC119 has no effect, but I've found that enabling the legato Switch (CC68) cuts out the 'attack phase' of a sample. So again, experiment with using slur marks, or creating your own method of sending a 'legato' node. Also, with the legacy GPO4 strings, key-velocity has a more profound effect on the attack of notes....so experiment with that in the note inspector....
Keep in mind that I've just 'roughed' in the settings for these sounds so GPO5 would at least be somewhat usable in Sibelius. PLEASE feel free to tweak and edit the soundset for a more polished sound. Experiment with other ADSR settings in the switches.
Also, be aware that you can edit the sfz files of ARIA instruments (do back them up first). Take a look at some them (it's how I learned about the CC119 trick).
For example, if you don't like the loop points for a given note, you could go in and fix that. You might add new key-switched layers, or experiment with different sample starting points. You might create your own percussion mappings, etc. More info on sfz opcodes can be found here: http://drealm.info/sfz/plj-sfz.xhtml
and you can find a video tutorial on making an instrument for ARIA from scratch here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNoQo01mr7g&t=582s
Incredible! Thank you for writing such a detailed and speedy reply, it certainly solved my query and more - it certainly broadened my perspective, I've been using Sibelius as an amateur composer for a few years and I never knew about the note inspector, and I never knew what the CC markings I've seen in several scores were but now you've opened a whole new world to me and I'm looking forward to figuring out how to make my scores sound the best they can be.
I cannot thank you enough for taking your time to explain everything so clearly, and for making this soundset.
Thanks so much for making the sound set. Question about solo strings:
I have a score that has 3 solo violin staves. Unlike, say, clarinets or trumpets Sibelius does not load in Player 1, Player 2 etc on various string staves. Is there a workaround for this? What's loaded in all 3 staves is Violin KS which causes phasing problems etc. since it's the same violin in all 3 staves.
Thanks for the suggestions Bruce. I haven't worked on the set in several months and there are quite a few things yet to add, and that I probably should have done differently.
On the Solo Strings. Interesting, it should start with the new GOS Solo Violin, but subsequently work its ways through the Legacy (GPO4) gagliano, stradivarious, and guran instruments (In ARIA there is no reference to the instrument makers, they just call it Solo Player 1 - 3 respectively). If it is not doing this, I suspect I might have a problem with the complex key-switcing logic I've attempted to build into the GOS Violin that is preventing it from working properly. I'll look into this.
Also, while you have Sibelius Playback Preferences set to use soundworld ids (as opposed to library names), if you don't mind, please look at the default soundworld assignment for each of your violin staves for the particular score in question. If they say anything other than "strings.violin", then that would mean at some point someone has adjusted it to call something specific that does not exist in GPO5 (perhaps in some other library), or only exists as one of the GOS Solo Violin's key-switch (I.E. a vibrato, or forte node), and then saved the score. If that were the case, Sibelius would revert to the closest match it can find (which may ultimately also include some key-switches).
To get to the default base-line settings for any stave, first double click it so it highlights. Next, in the "Home Tab" of the tool ribbon, click the tiny little frame to the far bottom right of the "Instruments Panel". this should pull up an "Edit Instruments" dialog, and the assignment for your selected stave should already be highlighted. Click the "Edit Instrument..." button. Under Playback defaults you can see and change the default soundworld id attributed to a stave.
In my soundset the way instrument variations are 'supposed' to work, if automatic variation assignment is enabled in Playback Preferences, is:
First stave would call up: strings.violin (GOS Solo Violin KS)
Next stave would call up: strings.violin.2 (Legacy Gagliano)
Next stave would call up: strings.violin.3 (Legacy Stradivarious)
Next stave would call up: strings.violin.4 (Legacy Guarneri)
Soundworld can do some crazy stuff sometimes (actually it's very logical and always the same, but for someone like me it can be confusing to track down and fix mistakes I made in interpreting how it does things). So, if it is broken, and you don't mind sending me scores I can 'attempt' to fix it (contact me at roland_brian _at_ hotmail _dot_ com).
Do be aware that in the meanwhile, you can manually change the staves to use other violins if you wish. You can do it through the Mixer, or through the "instrument" panel. If you want them all to use a new GOS Solo violin, keep in mind that there is only one GOS Solo Violin instrument; however, you can alter the tone and tuning of each stave using it directly in the ARIA Control Panel to create some variation between different staves that might use this same instrument; thus addressing some of the phasing issues (Change tone, and slightly detune).
On the bass trombone, you may be right there as well. but other trombones in the Library also have range limits in the lower register, so it's the opposite delima in terms of range limits. Again, you can change the default for the stave, and you can also have your virtual player assigned to the stave 'change instruments' at any point in an arrangement you like by entering "instrument changes" from the "Home/Instruments" area of the tool ribbon.
Please feel free to look under the hood of the soundset and make adjustments of your own. You can use the Sibelius editor tool, or you can use your favorite XML editor (my preferred method). I highly encourage digging into the soundset yourself......as I've mostly just provided a basic template so people who have GPO5, and no way to revert to GPO4 can at least get something working in Sibelius.
Thanks so much.
All 3 of the violin staves have the same ID: strings.violin
If I change either staff 2 or staff 3 (say to violin instrument "2") it changes all 3 staves to match, which make me think I have to create 2 new instruments identical to the first which I can then edit separately...?? So they'd be treated as different instruments. The only odd thing is that that's different from the way, say, trumpets or clarinets work.
Interestingly there doesn't seem to be any way to choose the new solo violin (strings.violin) in the Edit Instruments default setting hierarchical menu. You can choose "2" or "3" or "4" but not the original! I wanted to "undo" my change to "2" that got applied to all 3 staves and wasn't able to by picking the default (it wasn't a choice or didn't seem to be). On the other hand when you create a score there's just the Violin (solo) option for a staff -- and that does default to strings.violin
I saw your note above about using CHANGE INSTRUMENT to mix and match the solo strings but that doesn't seem to be possible with my file. The only option that shows up is Violin (solo) for solo violin. The legacy's do not show up as a choice. Maybe it's because I only had GPO5 and never had GPO4?
I don't want to take any more of your time on this, I get the general idea and I should really read your manual completely before giving up.
It could be problem in my soundset for sure. I don't mind suggestions and bug reports one bit, so please keep them coming.
It really does not matter if you've never had GPO4 installed. This only uses GPO5. Alot of the Library 'works the same' but just had different paths to call up the instrument.
I'll have a closer look ASAP. It might be helpful if you can send me a copy of the score. If it's something you don't want to share for copyright/privacy reasons just chop it up or something so I only receive enough essential bits to see if I get the same behavior. Send it to roland_brian at hotmail dot com.
Hi, the following will clarify how ignorant I am in what you are obviously an expert in, I am one of those who wish only to write music and have Sibelius play it back beautifully and never have to deal with technology.
Erroneously assumed my Sibelius would work seamlessly with Garritan World Instruments and GPO 5 and bought it and the update from GPO 4 to 5 online last Thursday.
The reason I erroneously made this assumption is that it was easy to integrate Garritan Orchestra 4 a long time ago into Sibelius and both GPO 5 and GWI use the Aria Player which I have had installed in Sibelius for years. Great mistake. After reading this thread I really wish I had not bought anything.
My main question here is. Should some one like me just accept the mistake and admit I have trashed $200, continue using GPO 4 and forget about World Instruments? The alternative is not appealing. To have to spend much of the time I would prefer to use composing doing something which I have no talent for, trying to create a sound set for GWI and trying with the help of your GPO 5 sound set to get GPO 5 to sound as good as GPO 4 already does.
I am at a point where I need to hear new exiting sounds to inspire my creativity and composition. That is why I bought GPO 5 and GWI. My best or least bad compositions are always the first ones on new sound libraries, when I bought Sibelius the first I wrote on Sib Sounds is the best, likewise when I bought GPO 4 and Vienna Instruments. New sounds are my favourite composing inspiration.
Do you plan on making a sound set for GWI ? I really wish you (or some one) would.
I am bewildered by your fixes to your GPO 5 sound set and yet perhaps following the instructions on Sibelius Sound Set Editor software and reading the Sibelius manual section 6.16 Virtual Instruments in the Sibelius help guide I and anyone could create a sound set for GWI in say 5 hours of intensive work?
Perhaps your GPO 5 sound set is not so cumbersome to install and can make GPO 5 much more exiting to work with than GPO 4?
Of course it is very rewarding and satisfying to have a composition play back so naturally that it is hard to tell whether a real live orchestra is playing, but I am not so interested in that as I am in composing, I believe that one can tell if a composition is good even if the playback is quite deficient, the satisfaction I get out of composing well is far greater than the satisfaction I would get from achieving near perfect playback.
Please do advice.
Try my GPO5 soundset.
It's going to sound very close to GPO4 except for what I have set up as the 'default strings', plus you will get access to some new instruments (Nice pianos, an interesting Pipe Organ console, More/Better choir patches, extra harps with configurable pedaling modes, a few more SAM brass options, New Orchestral Strings with some extra articulations and special effects, etc.).
Keep GPO4 installed if you have room....just in case you run into some issues. You will be able to have as many instances of ARIA as you like and you can point some of them to use the old GPO4 soundset in tandem with the new GPO5 should a case arise where you want/need this. There are some minor differences in how some of the percussion instruments work (damping and rolls) and sometimes it's easier to just use an old GPO4 instance than it is to try to fix your score settings to fix a misbehaving percussion stave in some older project that worked fine before.
I keep meaning to do an alternate GPO5 setup that uses the legacy tutti strings by default but I haven't found the time to dive back into this soundset project.
I think you'll find my Solo Strings better for more modern/aggressive arrangements, meanwhile the tutti strings can sound a bit behind the beat.
If you do not like the new GOS (Garritan Orchestral Strings) string instruments I have set up as default, you can easily change them to use the legacy strings if you like (identical to GPO4). In my experience so far the new GOS strings are very nice/useful in a tracking DAW when mixed and matched with lots of 'other things', so well worth having.
In a scoring app like Sibelius, at this time the new GOS tutti string sections have issues in my opinion. I think I could eventually get them sounding decent, but to really make them sing it will require a good bit of user intervention throughout a score, and I also suspect I need to tinker a bit with the sfz definitions of the sounds and add some extra key-switches/controls. For this reason, I should probably go back and offer a version of my soundset that uses the Legacy Tutti strings by default.......maybe someday I'll get time to tackle this.
Note, "Legacy" strings are the same as found in GPO4, and they do NOT have "GOS" in their name. Anything with a GOS in the name is new GPO5 content. Note, with this version of my soundset, I have not added every single individual string patch that is avilable; however, you can access them all via the KS version.
Changing to other string sounds as the default for a stave can be done by the Mixing console, or in your default instrument stave setups:
You can also use Sibelius Instrument Change calls anywhere in a stave as needed (just like with GPO4). The instrument change command is found in the "Home" tab, or by the key-combo: ctrl, alt, shift, i
As for using Garritan World Sounds, that's not a big deal since very few of those instruments need any sort of 'key switching' or 'special mapping'. Just do a manual sound-set in Sibelius as needed. All it takes is loading an ARIA instance, loading the world instrument(s) you want, assigning a Sibelius Soundworld ID, and you're all set.
Just as an example:
Imagine I want to add a Latin American Guitarron to a score:
First I'd go to the "Play" tab, and click the little square icon by "Setup" to add a fresh ARIA instance. Optionally I can double click and rename the new Aria Player instance under "Active devices:" to something like "World Instruments".
Next, I'll select my World Instruments instance of ARIA, click "Show..." and load the notation version of the Guitarron in the channel 1 slot.
Next, I'll use the "Manual Sound Sets" tab to tell Sibelius that this instrument exists and where to find it. I've chosen to classify it as a guitar, this way if I share the score with someone that does not have a 'Guitarron', it will fall back to using a plain guitar sound. So, we'll give it a SoundWorld ID of: guitar.bass.acoustic.guitarron
Next, I'll save my Sound Configuration. In this case I'm going to click the "new" button and give it a name of "GPO5+WI". This way I have a fresh copy of my favorite Orchestra Setup with a single instance of World Instruments all ready to go (I can change/add as needed for future projects).
Sibelius already has a Guitarron stave built for us, and it should automatically find the right sound at this point. If for some reason it does not find the right sound, we can point it to our custom one via the Mixer.
In my case it found things automatically, but just in case you can check:
First click the 'Plugin/Instrument' tab just below the 'Channel' tab, and make sure it points to my "World Instruments" instance of ARIA".
Next, Make sure the instrument slot is set for whatever we built in the manual sound-set. In this case: guitar.bass.acoustic.guitarron
In the odd event you need to do key-switches for a Garritan World Instrument, you can instead 'channel bounce' by loading the same sound in different channel slots of an ARIA instance (pre-toggled to the right key-switch) and give them different SoundWorld IDs.
As a side-note, it shouldn't be too hard to make a soundset for Garritan World Instruments, I just have not gotten around to it....at this point, it's just a lot easier for me to make manual soundsets as needed.
I am a new poster who recently had to buy a new desktop and also had to purchase Sibelius Ultimate to work with Windows 10 (latest version) as Sibelius 7 would not work.. I decided not to load my GPO 4 into my new desktop as I feared it too would not work. So I purchased GPO 5 and (of course!) it will not work and Avid will apparently not be creating an automatic sound set for it.
Will your plug-in work with my new hardware and software? (I am technically pretty clueless apart from using Sibelius. I do not compose via a midi keyboard. I input notes etc direct through Sibelius keypad to lead to printable scores for real people to play.) If you think it will work can you please explain to me how to integrate it with Sibelius Ultimate? If it will not work do you think GPO 4 should?
Many thanks - Lawrie Rose
Either GPO4 or 5 will work, though each does need a Sibelius soundset installed.
Download my soundset and unzip it.
You should find a file in there called "Garritan Personal Orchestra 5.22.xml". Keep that file explorer window open.
Next hold your windows key down and tap the r key. Paste the following path in the run dialog that pops up and click OK:
This should bring up another windows file explorer to the path above. Drag a copy of "Garritan Personal Orchestra 5.22.xml" into this location. If Windows asks for permission grant it.
For GPO4 I think the soundset is already included with Sibelius. If not, you can find it here and the process to install it is the same as above:
It's OK to have both GPO4 and 5 installed, although it is a bit redundant. Just install GPO5 unless you find some special need for both. Always use the latest version of ARIA Player though.
Many thanks and apologies if my first response was misdirected. The installation etc of your soundset was partially successful.
I get the impression that getting the right instruments in ARIA Player (s) is now different from GPO 4 with Sibelius 7. I find that I can only achieve this if the instrument slot in the Sibelius Ultimate Mixer has a channel number and I then slot that instrument type into the same AP channel number. That instrument will then play. If there is no channel number in the Sibelius Mixer I cannot get the relevant instrument to play no matter what I do. I also find that any instrument settings successfully made are lost if I close Sibelius. (I am talking new score creations here. Existing Sibelius 7 scores will only play if configured to Sibelius 7 sounds and if I do configure Sib 7 sounds all slots have channel numbers.) It seems to me that Sibelius Ultimate is not communicating or not communicating properly with the GPO 5 library or vice versa as I understood that Sibelius was supposed to load the correct selected instrument sounds into ARIA automatically (or vice versa.?)
I have another question. it seems there is a choice between Notation and Standard when selecting instruments within GPO 5. Yet the instrument lists are identical. Can you explain the difference please?
I will be very grateful for any further help you can give as I'm finding this whole process so frustrating (not helped by my technical shortcomings.!)
Alan (Lawrie) Rose
Yes, the default strings and some of the percussion are a bit different from GPO 4 in my soundset. You can still go back to strings identical to those in GPO4 if you like. Make that change in the Sibelius mixer.
You can also have GPO4, and his soundset installed on the same system. That would allow you to load instances of ARIA that use the old GPO4 soundset (and they can be mixed and matched with GPO5 instances using my soundset). Note, for the GPO4 soundset to work, you do need to have the complete GPO4 library installed on your system (keep your latest version of ARIA...skip installing ARIA, but install the GPO4 library).
My soundset will have Sibelius do its best to automatically pick a default instrument, but it's not always 'the best choice' for your needs. My default tutti string choices are pretty complicated and don't sound all that great out of the box (I enter lots of instructions and layer it up with other stuff to make it sound better). Someday I'll change this to make it use the same defaults as GPO4 did (you could open the soundset and do this yourself as well). Meanwhile, you can change them to the legacy tutti string sections via the Sibelius Mixer.
As for instruments being saved 'in a score', this is done via AVID's patented "Soundworld" system. Soundworld is based on a system of nodes and those are present in the soundset, and thus linked to a special VST protocal that allows Sibelius to ask ARIA to load a given instrument.
All that gets saved with the score are simple instrument ids that look something like this:
The rest is taken care of by the soundsets and custom settings of a playback configuration.
When needed, one can change the base/default sound (at the very beginning of the stave) to something different through the Sibelius mixer.
I.E. Maybe the default soundworld id for a violin stave is: "strings.violin". But you want it to be strings.violin.4 instead. That 'root' soundworld id can be set from the Mixer. Alternatively, you can make entirely new 'instrument staves' with custom ids deeper in Sibelius.
Instruments can be changed later on a stave using Sibelius Instrument Change calls. From the point such a instrument change is inserted onto a stave, the root soundworld id changes as well, until such time as you enter a new instrument change.
Note: Each channel on the mixer has an 'auto' mode, as well as a way to force it to use a 'particular plugin instance' and specific instruments from that subset. In Sibelius preferences, you can choose between having Sibelius display soundword ids, or showing the Library names of the instruments. Sometimes, after changing instrument configurations to something different from which the score was last saved, it might help to set a misbehaving channel to 'auto', hit play (Sibelius will send the commands to reload the channel's sound), stop, and then make further adjustments/choices from there. You cannot pick the MIDI channel...that part will always be done by Sibelius (some control over it can be maintained when building the soundset, but Sibelius still has its own mind on this unless you 'lock' an instrument so it can ONLY be used on a specific channel in the soundset).
If one is using multiple plugin instances and/or soundsets, then it can be important to point a stave to the specific instance you wish to use through the mixer, or by preferred settings in the Instrument Configuration settings of Sibelius.
Notation variants of instruments have the keyswitches in a different place than the Standard versions. Other than some of the new Orchestral strings, that is the only difference. The new Orchestral Strings have different key-switches. The 'start' knob that controls the sample offset is missing from the Notation version (one can still change the setting via CC119 events).
If you manually load instruments in the ARIA Player on your own, Sibelius has no way of knowing this unless you make a 'custom' soundset for that ARIA instance. A custom ARIA layout will negate my soundset...so it must be 'one or the other' per instance of ARIA. Of course can run multiple instances of ARIA, and have some using my soundset, and some using custom settings. Anytime you build a custom instance, please do NOT assign any soundmap to it at all. Instead, enter soundworld IDs to each channel of the instance. If you need keyswitches for custom instances, one can use the tilde method to type them in, or use a hidden supplemental stave and draw them in there as notes.
As for loading a score that was made with something other than Garritan, it shouldn't be an issue if everything is installed and set up properly. Soundworld IDs are soundworld ids. Sibelius will go through the list and pick the 'closest choices' it can.
Example 1: Imagine I've made a score using Sibelius Sounds and saved it. Later I want to open it, and my current Sibelius session is using a GPO profile. Sibelius will ask me if I want to switch to a Sibelius for Sounds profile, or if it should keep the current one. If I keep the current one, Sibelius will go through the Soundworld nodes in my library, and pick the closest matches it can find.
Example 2: Imagine I wish to change from Sibelius Sounds to Garritan in the middle of a project. I can go to instrument options and change the playback Configuration to something different. Again, soundworld will be used to sort out a set of default choices (closest matches). In most cases, everything on the mixer gets changed to 'auto' upon first changing the configuration.
As for Sibelius and saving plugin configurations. Be sure to save them once you've built one. Each time Sibelius is launched, it will start up with the last configuration you were using on the system. When you load a score, if the score used something different, and it is still present on your system, Sibelius will ask if you want to change over to what was being used when the score was last saved. If the score was saved with something different, and Sibelius doesn't find a matching configuration on your system, it will simply use the presently used configuration. It will use the soundworld ids of each stave to go through the soundset and pick the closest matches it can and load them.
I'm afraid very little of your detailed reply (and thanks so much for trying!) resonates with this technical ignoramus. All I want to do is create scores in Sibelius Ultimate (eg, string quartets, violin concertos) which may one day I hope be performed by real people (some of them have) but I also wish to be able to play them back via Sibelius Ultimate using a decent sound library (which Sibelius 7 is not, in my opinion.) I do not compose via a midi keyboard and all technical terms in the Sibelius Manual re VSTs, key switches etc are lost on me. I create a score, see the named instruments chosen appear in the Sibelius Mixer and then just hope they will also end up in ARIA Player of GPO5 and stay there but this is not happening in spite of your plug-in and in spite of the correct configuration being set up and the ARIA player having the correct playback and active devices (or at least, so it seems.) Have I wasted my money on GPO 5 and should I just re-install my old GPO 4 do you think? Using GPO 4 was relatively straightforward by comparison.
Again thanks so much for your time and I know I cannot expect you to persevere with me indefinitely.
Sorry...it's a personal soundset that I only shared because some Sibelius Users out there only have GPO5 with no option to roll back to GPO4. At least they can get some use out of GPO5 with my soundset.
It should be loading up sounds. Something is wrong with the setup somewhere. There are many things it could be......I'll have to ponder a troubleshooting methodology of things to check.
Case in point....with my favorite GPO5 profile set up, I can grab any Sibelius or XML score I like, load it into Sibelius, hit play, and other than sometimes having to make adjustments to percussion staves with XML imports, it at least loads the principal sounds and plays the parts on the score.
Other than the defaults for tutti string sections, and the principal string soloists, there should be no real difference. It's pretty much identical to GPO4.
Having said that, there is no harm in trying GPO4 with its soundset instead. You can always still use the portions of GPO5 that you want with custom settings in the configuration menu (essentially you just give each of the 16 MIDI channels a soundworld id instead of using a soundset).
The pianos, harps, and organs in GPO5 are really nice, and well worth the cost of the GPO5 upgrade. The new GPO5 solo strings (in the Orchestral Strings folder) are interesting, but take some practice to master. The new GPO5 tutti strings in the Orchestral Strings folder are strange in my opinion...they can be very good in a tracking DAW combined with other section strings, but on their own, from a scoring app like Sibelius, they are rather difficult to use and make sound good. The new 'small group' strings in the GPO5 "Orchestral Strings" folder are very nice. GPO5 offers some SAM collection editions to the brass for tutti sections. Woodwinds are identical to GPO4 (nothing new).
I really need to do a new version of my soundset that doesn't pick those new "Orchestral Strings" by default. I just never get around to it because it's pretty easy to dial up what I need. I could make it almost identical to GPO4 defaults, and have the user need to force the newer stuff.
With Sibelius/soundworld a score should work with any sound-library. Even if you were to use a $4,000 top of the line library, the basics should play back fine with any other library. If your score has soundworld definitions in the playback techniques pallet to call up special articulations and such, and the current sound library does not have a match, it uses MIDI interpretations (such as more velocity and shorter duration for a staccato note).
In short...you should be getting some sort of auto instrument loading and playback.
Do you know how to make screen shots and share them here? I might get some ideas by seeing how you have things configured (all the tabs in the "Playback Devices" dialogue).
Alan, this is nothing against GPO 5 which I use and like a lot. But since you admit to being technically challenged why don't you save yourself some trouble and get NotePerformer? I think you'll save yourself a lot of headaches with Sibelius. I use both programs. NP is just easier with Sibelius.
Bruce makes a very good suggestion. If you have little interest in learning the technical and subtle aspects of audio-engineering, Note Performer developers have spent many hours/months/years refining a Sibelius soundset for the plugin. It does a pretty good job of interpreting scores all on its own, and includes nice templates and stuff to maximize the library specifically with Sibelius, where the GPO soundsets are still very 'basic' and unless one tweaks them personally, that's all you're likely to get.
Hi, I just received notification of Alan Rose'a participation, I see there is no thank you Bryan Roland post from me. Though I remember posting it long ago. Thank you Bryan Roland, all worked for me just as you described. I have some fun compositions with both GPO5 and World Instruments on my desktop PC. I recently bought a new laptop, an LG Gram 15.6, inch, 16gb ram, 1TB. To replace my old 13inch, very little memory Mac Book Air. I travel a lot and I use the laptops on the go. I'm very happy with it. Big screen, I kilo, no longer do I need an external HD. It uses windows 10. So far I have installed my Sibelius 7 on it and it works perfectly, so I asume GPO 5 and GWI will work as well with your method.
Many thanks, Bruce and Brian. I am now giving Note Performer a free trial run and am very impressed by the sounds and ease of installation and operation. I think it could be just the thing for me but I think I will keep GPO 5 just for its fine piano (to be used only as a solo instrument and therefore easy to make work.)
1 question, please:
Is that soundset 5.22 the most recent one?
I looked at http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/resources/soundsets.html already, but that excellent source is apparently a bit older than GPO5.
It is the latest. It's not perfect but it works. I really need to rework the default tutti string stuff, and add some more of the content (stand alone variants of stuff that you can get to from key-switches) but in the meanwhile you can easily swap back to the Legacy strings after creating a string section stave. If you don't like the default tutti strings, just change it in the mixer, and this subset of the library will work and sound just like GPO4 did.
If you are on windows, simply drop the xml file here:
Note, ProgramData is a hidden file on many systems out there. If you don't see it, either set Windows to show hidden files, or just highlight and copy the path above, then hold down the 'windows' key and tap r. Paste the path into the pop-up dialog and it should put you where the file needs to go.
If Sibelius is running when you do this, you'll need to shut it down and restart it to gain access to the soundset.
sorry for bringing a thread that is several years old back to life :D
First of all, a huge thanks for your work! The detailed descriptions and everything... that is awesome! I am a victim of assuming GPO5 would work with Sibelius just like GPO4 did (like someone else in this thread, too). That being said, I do still have the option of turning back to GPO 4, but i really like the new sounds, so I wanted to give it another try.
With your soundset, everything does seem to work, except tremolo and staccato. Spiccato and martele I have not tried, as it is not very important for my work. Tremolo (which I tested with both GOS and legacy sounds) doesn't seem to load a new sound in another ARIA instance, but rather play back the default sound at a very high speed. So with missing initial attack, I would only hear every x-th note played back and this also only very quiet.
Staccato (either the word "staccato" or "stacc" OR the stacc-atodot above a note) doesn't change anything in playback in my opinion.
There is a high chance, that the error lies with me, but maybe you can still help me out?
Thank you again so much!!!
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