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As a drummer, and especially while reading rhythm charts– it's been very common for me to see 4 bar repeats (or even 8 bar repeats). Finale has done such a good job of making 2 bar repeats easy to create with Staff Styles, I wish that it made it as easy to create 4 or 8 bar repeats– and at the least, I'd wish that symbols for these repeats were included in Finale's fonts. I realize there are some issues– it's difficult to visually set apart a 4 measure repeat phrase unless you use slightly thicker barlines as I've done in the example below (or perhaps use dashed barlines for the internal measures), but this is a feature that I wish Finale included. There have been several times I've written session charts (including charts for pitched instrumentalists) where it would have been helpful and would've made the charts much easier to read and follow.

 

Finale ver. 25.2.0.79

macOS 10.12.3

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Hi Ric:

 

Yes! You're not the first person to ask for this. I've opened FIN-4684 to track the work. Thank you for the suggestion

 

Cheers,
Michael Johnson
VP, Professional Notation
MakeMusic

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Oooo... YES, PLEASE! 4-bar and 8-bar repeats would be a big help for making drum set parts readable. It is a standard we need to meet for drummers.

Dell i7 Windows 10 Finale 25; started using Finale in 1995

 

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Oh man, this would be SO helpful. I've had to hack a solution for the last 28 years while using this program. I'd literally upgrade THAT DAY if they offered this. It was so bad that, in one of my scores that could really use it, I actually wrote "FOR CRING OUT LOUD, MAKEMUSIC, GET A 4 BAR REPEAT ALREADY" as a score notation. Many of the band guys (who are educators, arrangers, etc) thought it was hilarious. They know the pain. :)

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The symbol is available in Bravura, Helsinki Special Std, Inkpen 2 Special Std, Opus Special Std, Reprise Special Std, and I'm sure, in others.

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Thanks for the link, Harald, but the post you reference is in French. I'm a decent musician but my Gallic is a little lacking. :) 

Mike, yeah, I know the symbol is available but it really slows down workflow to have to input it that way instead of via a much faster Staff Styles metatool.

I wonder if there's a technical reason why this has never been done. The 2 bar repeat Staff Style is so incredibly helpful that it seems like an obvious thing to have 4 bar repeats handled the same way. It's an extremely common need in some styles of music (I run into it many times in my lead sheets). It's low hanging productivity fruit. 

I really hope Finale addresses this!

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I hope Finale addresses a lot of things, but my hopes get dimmer every year. I’m too old to want to switch to another program, but I honestly can’t recommend Finale to people just starting out.

 

It does everything I need, but I can acknowledge the fact that there are a lot of people who need more that Finale doesn’t deliver. And the exodus of much of the old staff does not bode well.

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Please MakeMusic/Finale people - incorporate the ability to create 4-bar repeats in the Staff Styles. This feature is important especially when creating drum set parts.

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Although the Staff Tool does not (yet) offer 4-Bar Repeat, you can already create a 4-Bar Repeat layout:

Apply the staff style Blank Notation to the four measures.

Add the 4-Bar Repeat symbol with the Expression Tool.

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And with all this, remember: you must enter the notes into the measures before applying the staff style, if you want correct playback!

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Yes, workarounds are possible– and were possible over 2 years ago when I posted this as a Finale feature request, as evidenced by the example I included above, created using Finale. But more to the point I think, while there are plenty of things that can be done in the program, it's a Finale feature request... a user shouldn't have to go to Dorico or Sibelius fonts (or other 3rd party fonts) in order to create this– (Non-withstanding, a 4 measure repeat symbol does exist in Finale's Jazz font with the funky handwritten numeral, but it doesn't exist in any of the more conventional fonts or Broadway Copyist, and 8 bar repeat symbol is completely absent.) 

I tend to agree with Mike's comment from 3 months ago– I can visually make Finale DO most of the things I need it to do. But there are things it could make much easier and longstanding basic bugs which never get addressed as new features have been added. The exit of seasoned staff members, diminished responses, and the pace of current visible progress (especially compared to competitive products) could quench a person's hopes that even simple fixes like this will ever be addressed.

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Amen to your comments Ric. I have been a Finale user since it’s inception. I have had hopes that some major bug fixes would long have been resolved.

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… Non-withstanding, a 4 measure repeat symbol does exist in Finale's Jazz font with the funky handwritten numeral …

Indeed it does, and you can use it in a workaround with the Expression Tool.

But the Staff Tool does not yet offer 4-Bar Repeat.

That is what this feature request is about (+ 8-Bar Repeat), I guess.

 

… but it doesn't exist in any of the more conventional fonts or Broadway Copyist, and 8 bar repeat symbol is completely absent …

Indeed the 4-Bar Repeat symbol does not exist in the other music fonts.

However, you can create the symbol in the Shape Designer, by combining font characters.

You can also create the 8-Bar Repeat symbol in the Shape Designer.

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