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Mac OS Sierra latest Finale bought last year (Finale 25 I think)

In the Finale versions from 2000 to 2010 it was possible to assign different patches to different layers  If strings were playing pizzicato and arco in the same piece, one would simply reserve one layer for pizzicato and write the pizzicato parts for that layer.  Consequently, if half the cellos were playing pizz and the remainder arco at one and the same time there was no problem while playing back.  How do I do this in the latest Finale....they don't seem to have the "instrument list" that the earlier versions of Finale had.  In fact in the earlier versions I could even have half the cellos playing pizzicato loudly with the other half doing a soft arco....could someone advise?

Kedarnath Awati

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Use the Score Manager to set values for different layers via a pull-down arrow in the instrument row.

 

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Sorry I can't help you but I am curious about the answer. Perhaps I'll not upgrade  or maybe go back to 2012 or 1010?

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This capability in the Score Manager has not changed since Finale 2012. One can choose different instruments--even different devices--for each layer.

 

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Many thanks Adrian Verkouteren!  It works fine....I just hadn't found the right path to the instrument list...

Kedarnath Awati

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Hi ! Adrian,

I get that, and it woks fine for me, but what about going a step further ? Let's say, as in your example, that you only want the mandoline to play - or playback - on the second pass of a repeated region ? In my experience, all the layers on a single staff will be treated equally and will be muted when the mandoline is.

Note that in your example the device used is GPO. The one that I use is Aria Player, and in order to mute a layer I assigne it to an empty instance on the Aria player. And it works fine. Now, I cannot succeed in switching, let's say, the «muted» mandoline layer in your example to another open instance on the Aria player, so it can play the second pass. Should I succeed in doing this, would it do the job. If so, please show me how to do that.

Jean TURGEON

 

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The way Finale is constructed, I do not see how one can mute one layer of a multi-layer staff while the other played. One would have to put the two instruments on separate staves, even if those staves were hidden while a written staff showing both instruments were silent in those complex measures.

 

Admittedly, there might be some controller-code or Bidule trick one could program, but I am not familiar with it. I seldom need to use repeats in that way, although I realize others do.

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Very strange indeed, because Finale 2001 would do precisely that, 20 years ago !!!. The way it worked was the following : The expression tool was linked to a single layer. Nowadays, wether you chose a note or a measure, the whole staff is selected, and if it is a multi-layer staff, all your layers will be assigned equally as far as the expression tool is concerned. Right ? Well then, it is a pity.

If only one could switch the channel just as we do with the patch, there would be no problem.

Did we loose something in the upgrades ?

JT

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Jean,

I have left a sample file that controls playback of the second layer in repeat using the volume controller at

Edit: LINK REMOVED

The solution is crude, but I hope it helps.

 

Once you have retrieved the file, please tell me (here) so I can remove the dropbox link.

Thanks.

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You can still do it with expressions, to mute a layer on a particular pass. I don’t have the details at hand, but I know that Zuill has posted a solution on the other forum. A Google search should find it.

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Hi Adrian, I am back.

Very ingenious. I did not know what this expression layer was design for. Thank you very much. But...

I have the same problem as you now, with the «restore volume». At first it did well, but not on a second time and after ! The thing is, I don't know how to manage your solution with the shape. Can you show me how to do that ? If a place the expression mark on the first beat (to mute the layer), the playing resumes on the third beat ; and if a move the mark to the third beat, it works but my first two beats are played. So... I guess I need your kind-of-strange «shape» solution.

Thanks again.

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I just chose to add a shape and then used the Text Tool within the Shape Designer to add the text you see.

 

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Yes, I finally figured it out by my self. You have been very helpful, Adrian.

Thank you so much !

JT

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Glad it worked to the extent that Finale permits it.

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For Jean and others who might be interested:

 

Out of curiosity I presented our puzzle and sent the Finale file with my solution to the "Submit a request" link above, and received a typically helpful and courteous reply from Finale's Notation and Garritan Product Specialist David Cusick who pointed me towards a solution. By right-clicking the handle of an expression created to either mute the volume to zero or change the MIDI channel to an empty slot (and then change back) one can, via the  Edit Expression Assignment, assign the expression(s) to a specific layer without going through the Score manager. In spite of the years I have used Finale, this was a revelation. I am pleased to be able to share this with those who would benefit and to thank David Cusick for his help.

 

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Great ! Adrian:

So easy now. Thanks to you and to Mr. Cusick. (He would not address the problem when I first « submitted a request » three months ago. I suppose because I am not a Community Expert. Good for you, Adrian.

Bye now.

JT

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Hey guys, I'm late in the discussion...hope some one reads me !

So, my problem seems related to yours. I am a big user of the midi tool to control the parameter of my Vienna Ensemble Pro player. For example, when I want a crescendo, I'll use controller 7 and, let's say, I scale it's value from 1 to 72...

In my orchestral score, let's say on my first staff, I have assigned on layer 1 my flute 1 (midi channel 1) and on layer 2 my piccolo 1(channel 2). In the score manager, I only have one assignment choice for the "expression", so I choose Channel 1 to match my flute 1.

But when I write music for my piccolo on layer 2, my midi tool programmation (crescendo decrescendo etc...) does not send the information to my piccolo in my Vienna player. It' seems that it sends only to channel 1, the one I did assign in my score manager.

So I guess that my question is : can I change the midi channel on the "expression" in the score manager to match the midi channel of the layers I am currently using VIA my score and NOT by changing it manually in the score manager.....

 

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I suggest you use the suggestion MakeMusic sent me six months ago to assign expressions to specific layers (which would then go to the channel associated with that layer. See my post just above.

 

The question, of course, is whether a cresc or decresc (a smartshape) could be assigned via this method. If you find it unsuccessful, you could send your file (or an illustrative part of it) to MakeMusic directly via the "Submit a request" link at the top of the page here. David Cusick was very helpful when I ran into my similar problem.

 

Please get back to us with his reply. I for one, would like to know what he has to say.

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Thank you for your answer.

I did read and try what was discuss above. My problem is that I am not assigning an expression, or a smartshape for that matter. I am playing with the midi tool to send midi informations (volume, breath, velocity) to my instrument (Vienna Ensemble Pro). So, when I use layer 2, the only way, so far, to use midi tool is to set manually the "expression" of the score manager to the same midi channel.

 

So, I guess I I'll try the "submit request" and get back to you if there is light over there !!!

JB

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I long ago gave up on  the Finale MIDI Tool. IMO it is one of Finale's weaknesses. And I recall early in my electronic music career I used MIDI extensively with programs like MOTU's Performer sequencer.

Please do let us know what MM Support says.

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