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Windows 8.1 - I have tried the time signature and the measure tools methods of creating a cadenza. Neither solve my notation problems.

I have a CADENZA  - the soloist has a long set of notes. However, there is an accompaniment consisting of whole notes in that one cadenza measure. The accompaniment insists on adding rests after the whole note to match the fake time signature 28/4. The solo part also does all kinds of weird things.

PLEASE give me a step by step guide on how to notate this.

ALSO the solo part cadenza in in a feathered notation culminating into infinity three beams with no heads and stems. HOW IS THAT NOTATED?

 

Many thanks,

Aldo Forte

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Hi Aldo

 

As far as the notation of the whole notes go try this

  1. Make sure that Layer 1 has only the whole notes and that layer 4 is empty.
    If your whole notes are in a different layer, use that layer wherever I talk about layer 1
    If you're using layer 4, use an empty layer and use that layer whenever I talk about layer 4
  2. Switch to layer 4
  3. Enter 7 tied whole notes
  4. Activate the Selection tool
  5. With layer 4 active, turn on "Show active layers only"
  6. Select the measure with the cadenza
  7. Plug-ins->"Note, Beam and Rest Editing"->"Notes and Rests (Hide)" [The tied whole notes become greyed out]
  8. Switch to Layer 1
  9. With the selection tool, select everything starting with the first rest to the end of the measure
  10. Plug-ins->"Note, Beam and Rest Editing"->"Notes and Rests (Hide)" [The rests become greyed out]

The Solo part doing "all kinds of wierd things" does not give us much of a clue. A lot of cadenzas are like that. It depends on the performer :) . I take it that you're experiencing something unexpected?

You might need to explain further, or post an example.

As to the feathered notation, you might need to post an image to give us an idea of what is required.

 

Cheers...

 

Daz :o)

 

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Hello Darren,

 

Thanks so much for the info. I will try that. As to the solo I meant that Finale is doing "weird things" like having the cadenza notes too close to each other, not automatically beaming 8ths and 16ths. I'll send a jpg of feathered notation via my email

 

Many thanks,

 

Aldo

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Hi Aldo

 

Spacing is wierd when there are a large number of notes in a measure. You will probably need to manually adjust the spacing and the measure width after you have entered the music.

As to the pic, why not just attach it here?

While you're editing a post, click on the picture icon (between the numbered list and the link/chain icons) at the top of the text entry box.

 

Cheers...

 

Daz :o)

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Here is the feathered beam. Many thanks

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Hi Aldo

 

Use a combination of the Beam Extension tool and the Secondary Beam Angle tool (found in the special tools pallette)

So, with the Secondary Beam Angle tool, create the feathered beam

Switch to the Beam Extension tool and double click on the handle that shows on the main beam of your note

A dialogue comes up, asking which beams to extend. Select 1/8, 1/16 and 1/32 (as per your example)

Click OK

Now extend the beams



Cheers...

 

Daz :o)

 

 

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Thanks so much Darren. One LAST thing concerning your instructions for a cadenza. PRIOR to following your instructions, do I use the time signature method (28/4) or the measure tool method "allow notes to be spaced evenly across a measure regardless of time sig.? My cadenzas include basically 3 components: the solo part with tons of notes, whole notes under a fermata for accompaniment and one eighth note tied over from previous measure) followed by a dotted half rest under a fermata for accompaniment. After input of the accompaniment extra rests appear but when I hide the extra rests they appear again. I also have used the invisible bar line method in measure attributes tool but that adds measures. Ex. I want the whole cadenza in bar 38 but it has it going thru to bar 43. Any suggestions for clearing all this up? Many many thanks again, Aldo

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Hi Aldo

I'm afraid that I'm not much use when it comes to formatting music. I know the basics of entering music and of the special tools to get
beaming, cross staff and  other wierdness in notation. But actually getting notes to space out nicely and stay that way still eludes me.

Do you have a picture of the cadenza/page? If so can you post it here. Alternatively, if you have a dropbox or similar account, upload your file there and post a link here so that I can look at it.

I'll try and get there then tell you how I did it, but my version will probably be messy (to say the ,least)

Once the measure has the correct notation, you will probably get better help over in the old forum (forum.makemusic.com) in making it look good (spacing etc) There are guys there who lay scores out professionally and who love to help with interesting problems.

I'm not dissing you, I'm just not that good with layout. sorry.

 

Cheers...

 

Daz :o)

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Thank you SO MUCH Darrin for all your help. I will consult with the formatting folks.

Thanks again,

 

Aldo

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To hide bar lines and stop measures from being counted...

 

I am not sure why you cannot hide rests unless your are trying to hide the full-measure rests automatically added by the program instead of using manually entered four-beat rests. You should be able to hide other rests in Speedy entry.

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Hello Adrian,

 

I have tried the invisible barline but do not want to count the "extra measures". I guess I must unckeck "include in measure numbering". How do I hide unwanted rests in speedy? Also, is this ALL I have to do or do I need to use the time signature method first?  (ie; 28/4) or the measure tool method as in the user manual?

 

Thanks,

 

Aldo

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P.S. Can I check position notes evenly across measure?

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>  Can I check position notes evenly across measure?

 

You can always make a copy of your file and try anything. You'll learn more that way than by expecting others to do it for you.

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Adrian,

 

I thought this was a forum for helping to resolve Finale issues. Maybe you need to look up my name and see what I have accomplished and NOT BY EXPECTING OTHERS TO DO IT FOR ME. What a nasty attitude!!!!!!!!!!!!

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And yes, I HAVE TRIED SEVERAL THINGS ON MY OWN TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE before contacting the forum.

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Hi Aldo

What version of Finale are you using?

The reason for asking is that there is a plugin which may well help with your problem

Unfortunately, it will not (currently) work in Finale 25. It will work in versions 2010 on.

The plugin is called JW Meter and Rhythm and it can be found at http://www.finaletips.nu/index.php/component/phocadownload/category/9-plug-ins-for..# 

Installing the plugin is at the top of the download page.

What you do is....

 

Enter the Solo keeping to your normal time sig. Enter the accompaniment whole notes in the measure where they should be played, skipping measures where necessary

Once the music is in, select the entire passage and run the plugin. Select "Transform to Contents->Free Time" and "Conceal Barlines" and "Respace if necessary"

This will create a single 'measure' with your cadenza, and adjust the measure numbering accordingly.

If you don't have an earlier version of Finale, just post and we can work something out

 

Cheers...

 

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Aldo,

I'd like to call your attention to my earlier entry, which included an annotated screen shot to try to help you solve at least part of your problem.

My other point was that, in the time it took you to ask whether you could try something, you could have made a copy of your file ("Save as...") and tried it yourself. You don't need permission from anyone here to try something on your own file, and something that simple is something you should really be willing to do one your own.

If your experiment doesn't work, by all means explain what you have done, what you hoped to accomplish, and what happened that  you didn't expect.

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Adian,

 

My question should have been worded as "DO I check position notes evenly across measure?"

 

PARDONE MOIS!!!!!!!!!

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