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Windows 10, Finale 24+ (current)

Hi all,

I'm sure I have asked this sometime before, but is there a functional Expression or Articulation for the sostenuto (middle) pedal on the piano?

This is the one that sustains keys already depressed.

I have Garritan and Noteperformer pianos.

Thank you,
:-)
Vanessa

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  1. Choose the MIDI tool . The MIDI tool menu appears.
  2. Double-click the measure in which you want the pedal to be “pressed.” The MIDI Tool dialog box appears.
  3. Choose MIDI tool > Edit Continuous Data. The View Continuous Data dialog box appears, in which you can select a controller whose data you want to edit.
  4. Click OK (because Sustain Pedal is already selected). You return to the MIDI Tool dialog box, where the display has changed. On the left side you see a scale of controller values—in this case, sustain pedal values—from 0 (pedal up) to 127 (pedal down). The sustain pedal is not a continuous controller, because its value can’t change smoothly over time (like pitch wheel data can). You’ve either pressed the pedal (value 127) or released it (value 0). Unless you’ve already created pedaling using the MIDI tool, the window is empty.

 

Of course this isn't a piano part but this is what it looks like.

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Ernest,

You have given a fine explanation of invoking the damper (sustain) pedal, but I think Vanessa was trying to program the sostenuto pedal instead. Does Finale have a CC for that too?

 

Vanessa,

If there is a code for the sostenuto pedal, it would be in the player's manual for the instrument you are using. I could find no reference to sostenuto in either the NP or the Garritan manuals I have. You might have to fake it with a hidden set of staves.

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J ADRIAN VERKOUTEREN

My only foray in this area since I am not a piano player was not real successful. I only posted this so she the OP or someone that actually knows how the pedals should work could possibly adjust the settings. I would think whether it is the sustain pedal or the other two left or right pedals that a simple adjustment of these settings should come close.

Check this out too...............

 

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Thanks, guys, as usual.

Adrian is right, I am trying to implement the "middle pedal" -- the "sostenuto"

I'm pretty sure it is not functional -- at least in GPO and NotePerformer.

I was just hoping...
:-)
Vanessa

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Nessa,
You should be able to create something. A key stroke perhaps but an expression for sure. I am super busy today as you might suspect Lion’s band this week but I might get time to try for you.

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Thank you, Ernie

I know this is a busy time for many.
I was thinking about an Expression because of the option for a Controller, but at the same time I wonder about the regular pedal on and off markings in the Articulation  option.

My main goal is to be able to sustain notes (on the piano) that have already been depressed, and allow the notes that follow to be unaffected--there's the rub.
:-)
Vanessa

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Yeah I understand you probably aren't going to get the exact same effect as one gets from a live piano but I think something approaching it should be possible. MM hasn't and doesn't see any need to update the sounds or even the incredibly poor mixer. That is what let Note Performer in the door.

I haven't done it and I am not a piano player so I am not the best source for how or even if this would work but I think something might be possible.

... I wonder about the regular pedal on and off markings in the Articulation  option.

 

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This is what Dorico uses for the auxiliary piano pedals. 

 

 

Since Finale 27 uses SMuFL, these glyphs from Bravura, another SMuFL font, should be available for you to use in Finale. For playback, you may have to use a hidden staff to sustain the appropriate notes.

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Adrian,

I believe you hit upon the practical--and what should have been for me the obvious--solution:
for playback, and a hidden stave.

From what I have been able to find online, "S.P." or "Sost. Ped" also are used to notate.

Thank you both!
:-)
Vanessa

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So there is no solution to a notation f Sost Ped which plays back!?!

The idea of defining the Ped mark to change duration makes little sense unless it can somehow know how MUCH duration to add. Each Sost ped instance requires a different duration.

CC66 is the way to go. But what virtual piano responds to it?

I want a different visual cue for the perofrmer for Sust and Sost pedal. So I use the stads Ped * for sustain.

I want Sost (then the smart shap line with the caret at the end.

BUT defining the Smart shape line as CC66 = 0 means the START of the smart shape turns off Sost. How can I make a shape where the caret at the END of the line sends out the CC66 = 0 midi message?

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