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I have written a short Fanfare (9 measures) for a brass group.   I would like to print multiple (at least 2) individual parts on a single page.   I can see in Finale how to combine parts when they are printing, but that seems to only combine the two parts back into staff groupings - not what I want.  I am looking for a complete part - for example1st Trumpet on the top, and the 2nd Trumpet part below it.  I can do this with Scissors and tape, but I'd prefer to have an electronic version of this. 

 

Sort of a nit, and I won't be disappointed if I have to get out my scissors, but thought I would ask. 

 

Jerry

 

PS - I am running Finale 25.5 on WIndows 10. 

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If I understand you correctly, you are not interested in a “two parts score” where the two players can see and follow, what notes the other part has in the same measure, right?

Instead you are trying to print all the measures for one part in the upper half of the page, and all the measures for the other part in the lower half of the page, right?

Could you perhaps explain the problem you are trying to solve with this particular layout of parts on the same page, where the players can not easily follow the notes in the other part?

The better we understand, the better we can help.

In short:

What is the idea?

What is the problem you are trying to solve?

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You can, of course, extract each trumpet part separately and then copy and paste the Tpt 2 part at the end of the Tpt 1 part before using formatting to isolate the Tpt 2 systems below the Tpt 1 systems.

 

But I have to agree with Peter that there is probably a clearer way to print the two Tpt parts and by answering Peter's questions you may come up with a better solution for your players. I am a big proponent of making things as clear as possible for the players in order to make rehearsals as efficient as possible. 

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Do you want the parts on the same stave, or or separate staves? If the latter, that's easy.

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First, thanks for all of the replies.  I do appreciate them. 

 

Perhaps, from the responses, I need more background.   The work is a fanfare that is straight forward, but is scored for 8 separate voices.  Putting all 8 voices onto separate lines is the same as printing out the score for everyone - it goes to 3 pages, and that would require a page turn in a short work which has no common page turn reference.  Breaking out the parts into groups of 2 (Eb & solo trumpet) doesn't really meet the needs outlined by Peter, as the parts are similar, and there is not much to be gained by seeing the other part .  Additionally, the group is an experienced group that has been playing together for over 25 years.   The confusion of seeing duet style printing is far outweighed by the addage of keeping it simple, and providing what they are used to.  Also, when I first started arranging for this group, I submitted a work that had combined parts - First and Second Trombone on the same stave  - I'm a Tuba player, and have been reading combined parts for many years.  That didn't fly, so I had to go back and split to individual parts.  I'm pretty sure putting two parts in a duet (single stave) format isn't going to be popular. 

Parts run either 2 or 3 lines, so individual parts printed on separate sheets is wasteful.  I just want to print a complete part on the top of the page, and another part on the bottom.  Martin, is that what you mean by separate staves? 

 

As I said initially, I can always do a real cut and paste to put the parts together before I copy them, as suggested by Adrian.  That's a good possibility, but having them in the same way  in machine readable format would be better. 

 

And again - thanks for all replies.

 

Jerry

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I think Peter was thinking of something along these lines rather than both parts on the same staff.

 

 

Otherwise you can try my other idea with extracted and combined parts.

 

(Sorry if some stems got lost in the reduction.)

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… Parts run either 2 or 3 lines, so individual parts printed on separate sheets is wasteful.  I just want to print a complete part on the top of the page, and another part on the bottom …

 

If I understand you correctly, this is a matter of saving paper when you print, not a matter of creating a file, right?

You are trying to print two parts on only one sheet, so that you can cut the printed sheet in two, and give each player a “half-sheet” with one complete part, right?

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If that's all the OP wants, he can run the Linked Part through for Tpt 1 through the printer and than turn the page 180 degrees and run it through again for Tpt 2, so long as he is sure neither part takes up more than half the page. That would be a lot easier than making a combined file.

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Everyone -

 

Thanks for the responses, and I'm sorry for my delay in getting back to you - was unexpectedly called away. 

 

Adrian -- Your 2nd example above is what I am looking for.  Based on your latest response, It would also seem as though a solution would be to adjust the top margin on some parts, so that they really start half way down the page, and then just feed the paper again without rotating.  But I am intrigued by your second example - how did you accomplish it?

 

Jerry Lawson

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I exported both Violin parts and then copied Vln 2 and pasted it into Vln 1 as starting as measure 53. Then I cleaned up the measure number regions and added the Violin II text into a space created by increasing the system separation between staves for the first and second part.

 

It is possible, but I wouldn't want to do it for many parts; I also would probably side with Peter's predilection for simply printing the two parts as a system of two staves and fitting them on one page.

 

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Adrian -

 

Got it!   Thanks for the example - I see it now.   And thanks for your patience, too. 

 

Jerry

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I was hoping that there may be a stacked option or some way in achieving this without pasting parts. I have a woodwind group that comprises Soprano Recorders, Alto recorder, Clarinet, and Flute

I print out four part harmony and a part for each instrument. It gives me the chance to allow the players to rotate parts. sometimes it works with unusual rotations of parts that I hadn't envisaged, or if one member is absent or struggles with the part then I can ask someone else to play their part. Also they can play parts repeatedly but say play 1st then 2nd then 3rd etc. They struggle with score style layouts and jump to the wrong part. Having two parts on one staff also is challenging for them.  What I believe would work better is to have four parts on 1 page printed both sides or even 2 single side pages to allow them to jump from one part to another. I know this is an unusual scenario possibly but my participants would appreciate that style of presentation.

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Unfortunately for those who wish this capability, Finale cannot do this easily.

 

(I have to say it was good to see someone using recorders. When I taught music many years ago, I used to arrange Christmas Carols for my fifth and sixth graders--2nd and 3rd year recorder students--to play, many of them SSAT. Frequently students would sit with my in the lobby before school and play together from the ditto's four-staff score, switching off parts as needed and as instruments were available. It is one of my fondest memories of teaching.)

 

P.S. Does anyone remember those purple ditto-machine copies? :-)

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I remember the smell, even more than the look!

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Ditto machines! That takes me back.

 

During my recent office remodel, I found ditto copies of the very first arrangement I ever made for my choir when I was in 9th grade. I liked ditto a lot more than mimeograph since you could do them in pencil and there were no stencils to cut.

 

Thanks for the memory.

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