Just my opinion, but why should Finale do that? Why not ask your DAW to incorporate a powerful, fully featured notation editor?

Let each program do what it does, best.

Because this is becoming part of other notation programs, and is essential to creating a good performance. It can be done now with the MIDI Tool, but that hasn't been updated in a generation, and is about as Byzantine as it gets.

To the extent that this means to improve the MIDI Tool, I am in favor.

Mike Rosen, I might have agreed with you even 3 years ago, but in my business, clients want great-sounding demos immediately if not sooner.

It's an unacceptable drag on workflow to have to open a session in a DAW just to correct a few issues with Human Playback. They've hidden the midi data under the hood, and you can't fix the results within when it's wrong. They've done an amazing job with Human Playback - I want to encourage them to take it the rest of the way.

Adding a full-featured GUI midi editor would offer the opportunity to take full advantage of Human Playback and Finale's playback engine, while creating the ability to clean up the weirdnesses. 

There are idiosyncracies in the implementation of HP that only event list, tempo map and cc lane editing can fix.

As I said, it’s just my opinion. But what about adding a full-featured text editor, and a full-featured graphics editor, which people have also asked for?

Mike - text and graphics? Wrong thread... :)

Not really. Just pointing out that Finale lacks other features that people ask for, even when they are available in other programs.

Mike, we're asking for improvements on something that's already there, and has been there for a long tim.

And you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But the graphics and text/lyric tools have been there all along, as well, and could use improvement.

It all depends on how you use the program. I would like to print a score with a watermark graphic. But Finale doesn’t let me “stack” the graphic on the page. I want an easy way to insert an elision in lyrics. I want a hyphenation and rhyming dictionary. I want an automatic hyphenization generator, in English, Italian, and Spanish.  I want a true hard hyphen, not an en-dash. I want improvements in setting up percussion. I want a full scanning program.

On the other hand, I don’t need anything beyond playing back learning track mixes for singers.

You can ask, and I can disagree. Ain’t democracy fun?

I agree that text and graphic tools need to be improved. Why do you need to disagree that the MIDI tool needs improvement?

Because, in my mind, Finale is a notation app, first and foremost. You don’t have to agree, and I’m sure you won’t.

Dorico is a notation editor with a midi editing interface like you'd find in a DAW... MakeMusic needs to wake up before Dorico steals the market.

To me, it's this simple. High quality audio output is requisite. If Finale was just a music notation software, it would download at 500mb and not have or be compatible with a host of virtual instruments. It has done much more than editing for a while, and overall, I think Finale is amazing. What is not amazing is the idea that I would need to double or more the amount of time I spend working on a piece b/c I have to recreate the wheel in a DAW just get simple dynamics to function properly. Being able to visualize and draw in midi parameters per stave is something that should have been done long ago. All the midi parameters already exist, just in a fashion that makes them virtually useless. I cant tell you how many times attempting to use Finale' s midi interface has irreversibly screwed up the file and wasted hours of time. Simply put, if Finale had a decent visual midi interface like in Logic, human playback might not even be needed and the time saved would be exponential. Demo's are everything these days, and having experience with virtual orchestration, the ridiculous amount of time it takes to essentially "rewrite" a piece in DAW "notation" just isnt worth it. I don't plan to upgrade Finale beyond 25 unless the midi interface is overhauled...and that's saying something since my first version of Finale was on 3.5" floppy disks.

I have used Finale since version 1. I am strongly in favor of vastly improved MIDI implementation. I have bought the Garritan Orchestra and wonder why they bother to offer it, if MIDI is not better supported. I agree with David Gardner and Jonathan Burr.

I'm finding that HP rewrites note duration and velocity data in the exported midi. Once you get into a DAW, if you use HP for the controller data and keyswitches, you have to go through the score and fix most of the durations.

If you turn off HP to export midi, you lose all the Keyswitch and CC data. It's like they're pulling in 2 directions at the same time, with no unity of purpose.

The result is reasonable-but-not-professional-level playback from within Finale.

Given the extensive articulation samples available in GPO, JABB etc, I would hope they're working toward a much more comprehensive keyswitch set and leave the durations alone... and, offer some way to edit playback for articulations. Right now, that's out of reach.

There's a lot of potential there, but it feels like an experiment in the early stages.

Meanwhile, you can edit midi in Dorico without f'ing with the notation.

All the music professionals I know use Digital Performer, which provides great midi/sound/notation.  It's not impossible. And yes, I regret staying with Finale since 3.5 and will not upgrade until I can actually use it.

No, they don't use DP for notation. They have a crew of people who take the midi from the DP files and then open them in Finale, then make their scres and parts from there.

I know I'm 2 years late to this discussion, but I'm actually with MIKE ROSEN here. I want Finale to spend 100% of their energy on making this the absolute best NOTATION software. Fix the bugs and quirks, add useful features, make the default setting automatically meet professional standards. Sibelius and Dorico are trying too hard to be everything in one. I don't want Finale to go that way. I want it to be the hands-down best notation software and let the other guys chase their own tails trying to be 3 differentt hings at once.

They have a crew of people who take the midi from the DP files

It doesn't take a crew to do that...:)