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Hi all -- I had posted this on the Finale side, so thought I would try again here...

Windows 7, Finale 26

How does one create an effective and functional "dampen" for harp?

In other words, playing the harp is similar to playing the piano with the sostenuto pedal always depressed, except most of the strings decay more rapidly.

There are times when the strings need to be "dampened" (some people say "muffled") right after they are played.

I have read the User Manual, and found a few places in sundry forums, for using text or symbols. Many text examples are suggested in the Users Manual, the "Coda" symbol or another similar to it are suggested for the symbol.

None of them work for me, and the other symbol that looks similar to the Coda one, but is a circle with crosshairs, I cannot find.

In either case, I would like the Expression or Articulation to function, and not just be text or a symbol.

I have tried creating an Expression and using the Keyswitch words: Dampen, Damped, Damp -- with "D" and "d" but to no avail.

I have also tried the Expression and under the "Playback" tab using "Controller  //  64:Sustain" with and without a value of 1.

Obviously, I really do not know what I am doing here.

The harp I have selected is "Harp KS1" and in the Aria player have selected the harp from the "Notation" category (n-Harp KS1).

Any suggestions, advice, directions, instructions, examples, etc :-)

Thank you,
:-)
Vanessa

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There is no symbol that automatically damps the harp. You would need to link a symbol to the appropriate Controller Code (via the Playback Tab in the Expression Designer) and you would also likely have to add an invisible code to turn off the damping effect. Here are two excerpts from the GPO4 manual.

 

CC# 72 controls release time for the Garritan Harps package.

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Thank you, Adrian--especially for your quick reply.

So, I have attempted to create an "Expression," as shown below. On the "Main" tab I used the word "Dampen," which I found somewhere in the GPO manual.For the value, I also have tried "1" "KS=1"

The Drop down menu has "64: Sustain pedal" and for legato it is "68..." not "64."

I have a feeling this is a lot more simple than I am making it, but, although I have seen many places that list sundry controllers, I cannot find anywhere that explains how to apply them.
(I also have tried using the piano sustain and release symbols in the "Articulations" dialog box)

Am I supposed to use CC# 64, or just 64?

Thank you -- yet again,
:-)
Vanessa

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When apply CC#64, there are only 2 options available, on or off. So instead of setting it to 64, which technically should activate it, I would enter 127 for on and 0 for off.

 

FWIW, I created a test file and tried to get the damping function to work. I tried with keyswitches and sending CC64 data via expressions. I could not hear any damped effect, it always sounded like a normal "let ring" to me.

 

I also tried it using the Spitfire harp, which is not part of GPO. I created expressions to activate the keyswitches. And while it's not as easy to use as GPO, the playback worked and I was able to hear damped strings.

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Hi Adrian and Jeffrey,

Thank you both for your suggestions.

I was able to get the dampen to work, but it was very skittish, working and releasing, but then affecting notes before any of the switches.

I created a new test document and got everything to work, but when I deleted the Expressions from the score, the dampen effect remained--and for the entire (short) score.

So, it would appear some of this effects/expressions are not quite ready for playback.

It is one of those things I will live without :-)

:-)
Vanessa

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Returning to an old topic.

I have a recurring problem with the harp--any harp--NOT rolling chords in playback, which should be the default. (See my recent post.)

Whilst pulling more hair, I returned to this problem, that of "dampening" the harp.

Well, the Controller 68: Legato, value 127 DOES work, but only before the fact.

In other words, if I apply the "dampen" controller before the notes, they will be "secco" or without resonance.
Unfortunately, it will not "dampen" notes that have already played: they will continue to resonant.

Since the harp does not have dampening as the piano, harpists must manually muffle (stop) sounds with their hands.
This is the effect I have been hoping to do, to dampen the strings after they have been played.

So, my work around has been to apply the controller just before the last few consecutive notes have played back, and this minimizes the resonance, but does not stop all of the resonance.

After I apply the controller, value 127, I have to remember to reverse it with "modo ordinario" (or ord, or some wording like that) which I create, to turn back on the natural resonance. This is with Controller 68: Legato, Value 64.

Hope this helps someone.

:-)
Vanessa

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