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I no longer have a keyboard with an Enter key. So as a result I can no longer use my MIDI keyboard and hit Enter on a rest to enter notes in Speedy Entry (yes, fn+return will work, but I would need a third hand to make that happen while holding a note on the MIDI keyboard). I really would like this to be a Speedy Entry remapping such that shift+return would yield Enter. That would really be of benefit. I do not wish to spend $36 to buy Keyboard Maestro just to have this functionality; that's ridiculous.

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I'm not sure which to blame, the hardware or the software. Anyway, since there are a lot of computers without numeric keypads (and enter key fx) out there, I think MM should have adapted to that, offering more adequate keyboard shortcuts for those users. 

I'd have thought this is more of a Mac than a Windows problem, but I might be wrong. (I just know that Apple dispensed with their laptop numerical keypads many years ago. Sleek design, I think was the idea.)

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I agree. The response I’ve gotten after making a formal enhancement suggestion was that they will take it under advisement (which I suspect is a polite response but a stock one) and that I might consider getting a new keyboard. That of course does not help when I travel with just a laptop.

There are many basic things that could be so much better with Finale, and many of us over a lot of years have offerred suggestions, but I’ve seen virtually none of these get implemented. I’d love a nice way to alter beaming (ie, a less cumbersome way to do it other than the Rebeam to Time Signature option under Utilities, and the one third-party plugin set that can do that adds hidden notes that messes with Speedy Entry, so that didn’t work for me). There remain many playback oddities that just happen with no rhyme or reason that would be great to get fixed already. Etc. And yes, to have a simple shortcut to create an Enter function that doesn’t require three hands would seem pretty basic, yet folks have requested this for years (a simple search finds several requests for this in Finale forums) and nothing has happened. Frustrating.

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There are two clubs to join, I think: one for those frustrated with MM, one for those frustrated with Apple. 

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I’m in both camps, actually, especially the latter ;-)

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That’s great. But I’m not buying another keyboard just for that and it also doesn’t help me one but when I’m traveling with just my laptop. Sorry; it’s odd that Finale just can’t add a better keyboard shortcut than the one it now has that is useless without three hands. I only have two. Sorry. 

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Missing the point. It’s not that third-party keyboards with an Enter key are horribly expensive (some are, some aren’t), but to have to buy it to enter a single command that has a poor choice for a keyboard shortcut is not the long-term solution. The solution is to change the shortcut and that requires MM to step up. I’m not here to debate keyboard prices and practicality. I’m here to ask that there be a fix; not something I need that often, but when you need a functional keyboard shortcut for changing a rest to a note, it would be great for that to exist. How would you feel if you had to buy a separate keyboard to accommodate a single MS Word or Excel keyboard shortcut? Oh but wait, I can change any MS Office keyboard shortcut to suit my needs. Can’t do that with Finale. Not without purchasing either (pricey) software or a cheap/not cheap extra keyboard just to accommodate a one-trick pony. That’s my point. This is inane. 

 

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David,

 

I realize you probably won't try this, but an App like Keyboard Maestro isn't a one trick pony for Finale. You can create macros and shortcuts for whatever keystrokes you find yourself doing all the time in Finale.n It'll fix way more than just an enter key.

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Try this:

https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/ 

The app name is 'Karabiner' - works from Sierra through Mojave.

This link will take you to a free mac keyboard customizer app - install it and re-assign the right side option key to simulate the enter key.  

This should solve your issue by creating a one press 'enter' key by re-assigning the right (or left) side 'option' key on your MacBook pro keyboard. (actually - you could re-assign any key to any other key.)  I chose the right side option key as I seem to only use the left side as an actual 'option' key.

Just mark the key somehow so you don't forget.  I used a clear label with black type from a Brother P-touch label maker.

Let us know if it worked for you... good luck!

Doug

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Thanks. I had tried that a few weeks ago but like some have reported to github, it led to the return key not being recognized at all, which is an issue as you can imagine. Also unclear if it will work on Catalina. But yes, I was aware of it and had tried it. Thanks. 

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There's also the shortcut/macro app QuicKeys. I can't tell how it compares with Keyboard Maestro, but it has served me without problems with Finale 9 through 25.

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David, I don't know how you work with Finale. I, for my part, work with paying clients so I found that the cost for the shortcut/macro app paid itself many times over. If you don't do the same thing, I still think it's a good idea to add this small cost to the more substantial one of purchasing a Finale. It's like throwing good money after good.

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Hi Anders. I’m a composer but that is not my day job and I earn nothing from it. So I don’t use Finale as frequently as others might, although I’ve used it pretty consistently since the early 1990’s. But when I do use it, it is pretty intense and often is used when I’m in a hotel room (I live on the east coast and work on the west coast, where I have a midi keyboard in my office there that I take to a hotel in Palo Alto where I stay). I’ve thrown much money at apps, sounds and Finale plugins. So I’m quite happy to throw good money after good. That’s just not the point-it seems like a waste of a keyboard shortcut to have one that is not usable because of the keys being on different sides of the keyboard. All I want is for that to be adjusted. I’m sure there are ways to work around this-sure, I know all about Keyboard Maestro, QuicKeys, various tools to remap the keyboard, and of course, external keyboards. I just wanted to call attention to a pretty straightforward problem that should have a pretty simple programming fix. Working around it all seems unnecessary when this could, and probably should, be fixed by the devs. 

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I'm not so sure this is a quick fix for the 'devs' (developers?). Anyhow, I don't expect MM, nor Apple, to do anything about this, so we'll just have to live with it. However you choose to do, I wish you good luck.

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Well, I caved and ordered a Macally USB numeric keypad for $15. At least that will also help with doing Excel and other things where I have to enter numbers, but I do wish there were a better keyboard shortcut in Finale just the same. Thanks all.

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I wouldn't dream of requesting anything from the big and beautiful Apple, but perhaps we could have at least a comment on this from MM?

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Personally, I agree that you should not have to purchase third-party equipment/software to function with a shortcut key in it's basic usage. There may be exceptions to this and I can’t really say that this would be true in all scenarios. This is especially true in Finale where there can be more than one way to do a single task. 

 

In this case you are using a MIDI keyboard and this does require physical interaction to enter notes with. What if you needed to hold an eight note chord with the keyboard? You would not be able to press the RETURN key in this scenario, regardless of needing secondary key or not.

 

This keyboard shortcut is not actually designed with this purpose in mind, so it may present some challenges in this situation. The shortcut is actually intended to enter a note or replace a rest with a note at the location of the Speedy frames crossbar (Mac), not wait for a MIDI note. So in this scenario using a different note editing/entry method may be more practical here. 

 

Ultimately though, being able to edit Speedy Entry shortcuts is something that the user should be able to do. So in a situation like this, you could modify the keystroke to your workflow rather than modify your setup. This is definitely a feature for Speedy Entry that we have documented for future consideration. 

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