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I have just opened an older file. All I have got was white screen. After quitting Finale says that I forced Finale to quit so if I want to reopen or not those files which were open. Both answers mean Finale to crash immediately. Reinstall does the same result, if I retard system even other software (Finder included) comes in reset state. All I can do is to restart from external drive and restore the whole system from Carbon Copy Cloner backup. Simple as that....

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Opening very old Finale documents in the latest Finale version is sometimes “a lot of trouble”.

 

The culprit could be some sort of file corruption in the old documents.

However, sometimes it helps to, first open and save the old document in an earlier Finale version.

According to your forum signature you still have Finale 2014.5 so you could try using 2014.5 for opening the old documents.

Could not hurt to try it.

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Thank you Peter,

at least I see that it is a known problem.

I am sorry, I unfortunately do not have any previous version of Finale installed. I updated my profile, so you can see my present configuration.

However, is there any risk if I reinstall Finale 2014.5 now?

But even if I could have 2104.5 reinstalled, how can I recognise in advance, that some older file will crash my system completely? Most of those old files work fine so this can easily happen without any warning again. This should be at least solved the way that it is not necessary to reinstall the whole system. If I would not have Carbon Copy Cloner, I would now spend some few hours reinstalling the whole system from scratch and migrating my files from TimeMachine with big question mark which would be the safe date to go backward...

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What version of Finale created this "older" file?

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It is hard to say. If I open any of those files in Finale 2014.5 it works.

The only way to find out is to go through the same procedure with Finale 26, which could lead to the same crash I described before in this post.

However, the original file was created in 2000. I was all the time up to date but I do not recall which version of Finale I used back then.

Is there any chance to install Finale 2014.5 on my Mac mini 2018 running Mojave 10.14.6 and Finale 26?

 

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I opened the file on my Surface 3, running Finale 26 and the file says, that it was created using Finale 2001d.r1 for Windows.

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… I opened the file on my Surface 3, running Finale 26 and the file says, that it was created using Finale 2001d.r1 for Windows …

 

If I understand you correctly, you were able to open the old Finale document in Windows Finale v26, without crashing - right?

If you can open and save the old documents with Windows Finale v26, then the new, re-saved documents will probably open “crash-free” in Mac Finale v26.

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Yes, you are right,

however, there is still a quite big risk, that if I open some older file without using another computer (I am not sure if I can install Finale 2014.5 on my Mac running Mojave 10.14.6 with the latest Finale installed) the whole crash can happen again.

I am not sure, if opening all older files (thousands of them, potentially) on other computer just because they can crash the whole system on my main computer is the best solution.

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In general, you should avoid leaving old Finale documents untouched for 20 years.

 

Every time you upgrade to a newer Finale version, consider opening the old documents, and saving - in the newer Finale version - an updated copy of the documents. This may sound like a lot of work, but FinaleScript can speed up the work, by batch updating the contents in a folder.

 

To play it safe, you could also keep a backup copy of the old, un-updated documents.

Obviously, these un-updated documents can still be opened in the original Finale version, should you ever need to do so.

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Dear Peter,

thank you for your answer.

Being a professional musician I will never have time and energy to save all older files a new, but if there is an Apple script which would do that is minutes, send me a link, please. I have never used it.

 My oldest files were created using Finale 2.2, so there literally thousands of them created using literally all versions of Finale and many years afterwards there was no warning saying that I should open all of them old files and save in newer version. I do not know any other software which requests this workaround...

Anyway I would appreciate, if you could answer to my question if I can install Finale 2014.5 on my Mac Mini 2018 running Mojave 10.14.6 and latest Finale. That would be the best solution for me from my point of view.

 

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… if there is an Apple script which would do that is minutes …

 

Not AppleScript, but rather the FinaleScript plug-in - which you have already.

Look in Finale’s Plug-ins menu.

 

… if I can install Finale 2014.5 on my Mac Mini 2018 running Mojave 10.14.6 …

 

I am not sure whether the 2014.5 Installer will run in Mojave - you will have to try it.

If you can get it installed, 2014.5 will not run without problems in Mojave.

2014.5 in Mojave is not recommended, and you should probably avoid using Human Playback.

But 2014.5 should work for (just) opening and saving Finale documents.

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I will try to find the solution using FinaleScript.

According to the co-installation of Finale 2014.5 and 26 on Mojave you are right, it will not work properly.

I see the best way to use Parallels Desktop to emulate proper system running older versions of Finale. 

Thank yu very much for you time and help.

 

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When a doc opens with a white page, it's not finding the resources (fonts etc.) used to create the page. Nuking your system, running scripts and trying to install unsupported versions will not fix this until you understand and fix the real problem.

 

32 years of Finale files open on my machine. As Peter indicates, not in their original form. The oldest ones used Sonata (and you had to buy that separately), for example. Later versions used different fonts. Many of yours started life in Windows. Usually, making the correct font substitutions is all you need to do.

 

Find one old file, open it and fix it. It's going to take some work but there's no magic formula. If you have to do it on an older machine, then do that. Make the correct fixes that allow it to be opened and displayed correctly in 26. When you've found a reliable way to fix old files, that can be scripted — but not before.

 

Carbon Copy Cloner cannot help you here.

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Thank you Mike for your comment. 

I thought, that the problem lies in fonts and yes, that was the main reason I always kept some Windows system handy.

Finale 2012-2014 opened even the oldest files, created on Finale 2.2 using Win 95 (if I recall the name of the OS correctly). I found the way how to fix all the problems, including many mistakes I made formatting and working with the file, being novice in Finale and english terminology back then.

It is a pity, that those very same files now crash the whole thing and I agree, that Carbon Copy Cloner is not any solution here, it is just a recovery from complete disaster.

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