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While I'm waiting for support to help me fix my authorization issue, I'm still using Finale 27 ( fir 13 more days, at least😏). When I copy and paste from one Finale 27 file to another one (both using Maestro font), the new file has huge green "F"s and "U"s on the score, as well as solid black boxes for staccato marks. This is an issue I've never seen in my 20 years of Finale use. Any thoughts? Others of You had this issue?

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Hey, all! Just heard from Chad at MM. They had me check my wifi options to turn off "Use Random Hardware Address"- which happened to be on. I had no idea it even existed. So, I turned it off, restarted the PC and authorized Finale 1st using my mobile Hotspot. Same issue as before- returning nag screen. But when I tried again using a public wifi network- BINGO! No Nagging now🤗 So, it was the PC setting and my phone that caused all my frustration. I want to thank all of you who gave me help and encouragement. This is a great community!

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Also, I exported an .xml file from a document created with Dorico, and then imported it directly into Finale 27. No "F"s or "U"s🙂 Looked just fine.

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Are you creating a new document, one from a template or?

 

 

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Are your documents using the old Maestro font, or the SMuFL compliant Finale Maestro font (new in F27.)?

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Both files were created with Finale 27 using the maestro font.

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I created a new document with Finale 27 and copied measures into the new document from a previous file I created in Finale 27. Both, I think, used the new Maestro (default) font. I guess I'll create another new document and make sure its the same font as the source I'm copying from. It was quite a surprise to see the huge dynamics and articulations after pasting😏

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… the new Maestro (default) font …

 

The new font is called Finale Maestro.

Finale Maestro is a SMuFL font.

 

The older (legacy) Maestro font is not a SMuFL font.

 

This means that the (new) Finale Maestro font has many more characters than the (older) Maestro font.

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If you want to stick with the older Maestro system, you should choose the Legacy style for your new documents.

 

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Thanks. I'm aware of the legacy Maestro option. Both files were made with the new default Maestro. At least, I did not choose the legacy option for either one. I'll experiment a bit to find out more. Of course, if support can't help me resolve my authorization issue, it'll all be moot in 10 days when my authorization window closes😏

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The new SMuFL font is called "Finale Maestro," so for clarity, it would help to use the full name when you refer to this font vs. the legacy font, which is just "Maestro." I believe this is what Peter Thomsen is getting at.

 

When you check the default font of the document, does it say "Finale Maestro" or "Maestro." The issue you have is what happens when you copy from a SMuFL-compliant document (using one of the Finale SMuFL fonts) to a Legacy document (using the Legacy fonts).

 

You can still use Finale past the trial period, you just won't be able to save or print. And of course, you should be able to authorize past the trial period (barring your authorization issue).

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I have to admit, when I saw this topic, the first thing I thought of was this quote by Oscar from The Odd Couple:

 

"We're all out of cornflakes. F.U.” Took me three hours to figure out F.U. was Felix Ungar!

 

(I can’t help it. I stage managed at a dinner theater, and we ran that show for five weeks.)

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Now, that is funny!

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I figured out the "FU" problem. I forgot that I created the original document in Dorico 3.5, exported it to an .xml file, then opend that in Finale 27 and populated it. Sometimes, I wish that Finale, Notion and Dorico would all get together and create 1 platform that uses the best of each. Each has things they do better than the others. That's a monopoly I wouldn't mind seeing🙃

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Then there's still a problem somewhere. The whole point of XML and SMuFL is to make that sort of interchange easier! 

Seeing alphanumerics suggests the characters are in legacy positions, but the default music font is SMuFL and doesn't have glyphs there. 

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I'm not sure if Dorico 3.5 uses SMuFL fonts or not. That was where the first original document was created before export to .xml. When I created a test document in Finale 27 using the 'Finale Maestro' font, and then copied and pasted to a second document Finale using the 'Finale Maestro' font, I had no issues. It worked fine.

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Using Finale 27 without the ability to save or print would be pointless. I Uninstaller v27 from my computer, re-downloaded the Finale 27 .zip file, the extracted and installed the program. Whenever support gets around to clearing the 2 authorization slots in my account, I'll try authorization again on a different internet connection than my Hotspot. As I mentioned in an earlier post, it's frustrating. The 'My Account 'Manage Authorizations' won't allow me to remove them- the 'delete' links do nothing. And, of course, since as far as my computer is concerned, Finale is not authorized, so using the program's "Deauthorize Finale" isn't an option either.
If we can't get this resolved, I'll just go back to v26 and use Notion 6 and Dorico 3.5 as well. I've used Notion since it was owned by 'Realize Music.' In terms of actual composition, I even prefer it over Finale. I have all the sound libraries for it. Unfortunately, it is not very good at formatting parts and scores for publication. Dorico has possibilities (although a bit of a learning curve). I like its 'playback templates options; but they must fix the fermata issue for playback. Finale and Notion give you options for more realistic playback of fermatas. Dorico gives you none. Playback just plows through them. Scores look pretty, though😉 Oh, well...

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My fat fingers make for poor typing (on my phone). Sorry for the typos.

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Dorico has always used SMuFL fonts. The standard was invented specifically for Dorico!

Even so, I've just tested exporting from Dorico to F27, and it works as expected, with no FU character problems.

 

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Thanks- I'll try exporting .xml from Dorico again. I like aspects of all of them- Dorico, Notion & Finale. Each has things it does better than others. As I mentioned before, if the 3 of them ever got together...🤗

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>I'm not sure if Dorico 3.5 uses SMuFL fonts or not.…<

 

Ben has set yo straight on that. It’s a good idea to subscribe to Scoring Notes and read some of the back issues and listen to the podcasts to get a lot more info on this. It’s free.

https://www.scoringnotes.com/ 

 

At last your issue is starting to making sense. Dorico’s MusicXML functionality, though much improved in 3.5, still leaves a lot to be desired (and yet the promises continue). My big issue is that Finale files need too much work in Dorico, not vise versa. Maybe the upcoming v.4? If it does not incorporate MusicXML 4, I will pass. We’ll see. I may hate Dorico’s workflow but I like the way my scores look in it. BTW, Scoring Notes has articles on improving the overall look of Finale files including the thicker bar lines used by Brand D.

 

Back OT: Yes, do a direct export/import this time into 27 without 26 in the middle and see what happens — and then tell us all about it. One thing about these threads is that they show up in Google searches and if this can help others, that’s a very good thing.

 

>if the 3 of them ever got together…<

 

Well, that’s the goal of MusicXML (look for Michael Good in Scoring Notes) and version 4 is another step in that direction. D and N haven’t adopted it yet but let’s hope they do so soon. I use Notion to realize Sibelius files exported as xml and reassign virtual instruments and it works extremely well for that. Yes, I could use Finale but N is so much faster and Time saved = $ earned.

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👍

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AMEN!!!

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