Hello, I am using Windows 11 and run Finale 27.2 on my Dell Alienware laptop.
I recently downloaded KONTAKT 7 and, to my disappointment, Finale does NOT support VST3 plugins, therefore I am not able to run it within Finale, as Kontakt 7 is ONLY in VST3 plugin format and not simple VST.
Please support me in voting for an update in Finale so it will support also VST3 plugins soon, I am sure many of us will appreciate it!
Thanks!
NS.-
We get to vote on this? (I'm kidding) Seriously, you are right as VST2 is going away. Many of my VI updates have removed them from my system though I notice that Kontakt 5 and 6 are still there in mine.
This is a Windows issue for the moment since the Mac version of Finale uses AUs only. Although it would be nice to have access to our VST3 VIs, as long as Logic Pro doesn't support VSTanything, AU is still going to be around. On a Mac, AUs are stored in the Components folder and there is Kontakt 7 sitting in mine. Whew!
It's a Windows issue, but it's also an issue that affects a massive proportion of MakeMusic's user base. It's a priority issue, IMO. Kontakt 7 doesn't even ship a VST2 plug-in, for example.
Oh, you're one of those people.
VST3 Support is a valid ask, and macOS is literally irrelevant to that request. Congratulations on being on a platform where you can sidestep the issue, but many people are not.
+1 to VST3 Support, even if they never get around to implementing it (see #2 above).
Yes, I am one of those people who understand that the reason Kontakt 7 is VST3 only is because Steinberg no longer allows new VST2 plug-ins and VIs. I was explaining this to everyone who reads this thread, not provoking a childish false equivalency response from you.
I was also explaining why this does not affect Mac users—in case there are any reading this. There’s nothing being “side-stepped”. That it falls on deaf ears where you are concerned doesn’t mean that others won’t be interested.
Of course, VST3 is a legitimate feature request and nowhere have I disagreed with anyone. You are confusing explanations with arguments and that helps no one. That Finale developers have had nine years to prepare for it has nothing to do with anything. Finale is not a DAW and MakeMusic will deal with it when they think it’s important—I’m a volunteer and have no crystal ball that gives me insight. Some DAWs don’t support it either while others are just beginning to. There is a lot of resistance to Yamaha/Steinberg out there on this—those who think that it’s somehow an open standard are quite mistaken.
In the mean time, the immediate workaround is to use Kontakt 5 or 6. I noticed that Native Access did not remove those VSTs from my system.
Steinberg has depreciated VST2 and is no longer allowing new plugins. Now you know.
If I had written this exact text to you, it would come across as disrespectful to you as it did to me. I am not going to entertain an attempt to flip it around and pretend that I am the one drawing offense. We both know how to read.
The issue has little to do with macOS for the reasons you've pointed out. macOS users can work around this by using AudioUnits. This isn't a thing on Windows. The OP specifically mentioned Windows in his post. Discussions about macOS are of no use.
Kontakt 5 and 6 are not an option for people who don't own either of them or an earlier version of Komplete. You cannot buy Kontakt 5 or 6 except through License Transfer or residual stock from resellers (which are so heavily discounted, they won't last long).
In effect, most people coming into the ecosystem now will have this issue of Kontakt 7 being unusable unless they load every instance in an instance of Komplete Kontrol (until that updates and drops the VST2 plug-in, at least), which will use non-trivial amounts of CPU (load that otherwise could be avoided if the plug-in were supported natively in the host). It's a bit higher priority than it was 2 months ago.
That Finale developers have had nine years to prepare for it has nothing to do with anything. Finale is not a DAW and MakeMusic will deal with it when they think it’s important...
It actually has a lot to do with it. What users expect is informed by that timeline. Mentioning Steinberg dropping VST2 Support as if it "has anything to do with it anything" (sic.) while neglecting to mention the timeline of those events is misleading. It gives the impression (emphasis to be noted) that developers had the rug pulled out from under them by Steinberg.
Speaking of Timelines, let's look at the timeline in this thread:
Hello, I am using Windows 11 and run Finale 27.2 on my Dell Alienware laptop.
This is a Windows issue for the moment since the Mac version of Finale uses AUs only. Although it would be nice to have access to our VST3 VIs, as long as Logic Pro doesn't support VSTanything, AU is still going to be around. On a Mac, AUs are stored in the Components folder and there is Kontakt 7 sitting in mine. Whew!
The relevance of macOS in this thread?
EDIT: Something seemed a bit deja vu about this, and I realized that I made a post on MOTU Nations about an issue with a Windows Machine and DP and you did the exact same thing. Jump in the thread and started talking about how it works fine for you on macOS.
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Whether or not it is a DAW is of no import. People expect software like this to be able to utilize their virtual instruments. VST3 has supplanted VST2, and developers have had almost a decade to move over. DAWs that don't support VST3 are seeing similar feedback from users, and it's definitely a highly rated feature request there. There aren't even that many, anyways.
Software doesn't need to be a DAW for VST3 support to be important. It's as important to Finale as it is to Cubase.
I haven't tried this, but I've seen people comment that it works. It's a "wrapper" for VST3 (and other formats) to use in VST2 (and other formats). There's a demo version so you can try before you buy.
Megaplugin
https://ddmf.eu/metaplugin-chainer-vst-au-rtas-aax-wrapper/
PS Just tried it and it dos work!
Easy. A lot of Mac owners would like to see VST3, too, myself included. VST 3 brings a lot to the table that AU doesn't.
When we comment on threads, we're not writing just to you.
You creep back into this thread after two months to write... that?
It's not an issue of what it brings to the table in comparison to VST2 (which still works). It's an issue of being literally unable to use the virtual instrument at all in the software. Yes, VST3 may bring some things to the table that AU doesn't provide, but lacking it doesn't render Kontakt 7 100% unusable in Finale. You use the AU and get work done.
macOS users don't need VST3 for Finale, unless the AU is broken in that specific host, for some reason. Even if VST3 were supported, most would likely use AU, anyways - barring caveats. Almost every plug-in on the market from a major developer (like Native Instruments) has a well-tested AU port that gets installed for macOS users (by default or by choice). It's as fundamental as AAX, these days.
This isn't about me thinking people are commenting just for me (cute, though). This isn't for me, it's not for the OP and it's not for anyone who would have an issue with VST3 not being supported. Windows users are affected by this far more than macOS users, which is why almost every person who post asking for this is going to be a Window user.
Again, macOS users might notice the lack of VST3 support, but it almost never affects them because AU provides a de facto alternative. Finale supports all of them on macOS.
Is that clear enough for you?
This is a Windows issue for the moment since the Mac version of Finale uses AUs only. Although it would be nice to have access to our VST3 VIs, as long as Logic Pro doesn't support VSTanything, AU is still going to be around.
Hence irrelevant.
On a Mac, AUs are stored in the Components folder and there is Kontakt 7 sitting in mine. Whew!
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Since it looks like you do not understand what VST3 brings to the table for both Mac and Windows, maybe you should refrain from further comments on this subject. Just a thought.
I see no reason to limit request for VST3 to Windows. Apple has not incorporated many of its features into AU. Maybe they will someday. This feature request goes back at least 5 years. The recent discontinuance of VST2 by Steinberg makes this an issue for all of us. NI is not allowed to release Kontakt 7 as VST2 and the AU version isn’t as good.
Can no one on this forum read? Like, really...
Read the thread. Lol.
No one is saying macOS doesn't need VST3. The issue is that while macOS users can use AU to actually access the plug-in, Windows users are SoL because no such workaround exists.
Why are you still arguing about this macOS stuff, which is completely off-topic because the OP doesn't use macOS. He uses Windows. That was kind of my point. Why delve into that tangent when it's irrelevant to the OP's situation.
You people just won't ******* give it up. You have to come back time and time again to dig it back up because you think you have some sort of point.
The whole point of my stating this was so that people like you would comment on the "actual subject" and stop diverting to some worthless discussion about macOS. It has no relevance to the topic and it doesn't help the OP overcome the issue stemming from the lack of VST3 support - which macOS users have a totally viable workaround for.
What VST brings to the table is literally worthless. That is not even a bullet point for this issue.
FFS.
I am using the DDMF plugin to host Kontakt 7 in VE Pro. It does work, though it's a little clunky. It's a viable workaround until we get actual VST3 support in those that don't currently support it.
I haven't tried this, but I've seen people comment that it works. It's a "wrapper" for VST3 (and other formats) to use in VST2 (and other formats). There's a demo version so you can try before you buy.
Megaplugin
https://ddmf.eu/metaplugin-chainer-vst-au-rtas-aax-wrapper/
PS Just tried it and it dos work!
Are you referring to the VEP Event Input Plug-in or something else?
https://www.vsl.info/en/manuals/vep7/vep-plugin
I've not thought of using it to host VST3 in the Mac version but don't see why it wouldn't work. Not bad for €195. The latest Macs and many PCs are so fast that hosting VEP no longer requires a slave machine—the reason I've always avoided it. Nice to see there is a free 30 day demo, too.
https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Vienna_Software_Package/Vienna_Ensemble_Pro#!Product_Info
Finale support said.
We certainly understand wanting to use Kontakt 7 instrument plug-ins with our software. Unfortunately, Finale does not support VST3 instruments. As it stands currently, we can't provide specific details on when Finale will offer support for these instruments as a future development.
My guess is that VST3 support will be implemented in v. 28. If not they will loose a lot of customers since Finale is overall better adapted to the Windows platform and I'm pretty sure that's where the majority of users are.
I get it. Although rumored for years, Steinberg announced officially that VST2 was being phased out over 24 months in January 2022 (13 months ago). Kontakt 7 was released 4 months ago, which is what's driving this issue, and MakeMusic hasn't added VST3 support yet.
Yes it's pretty sad and MakeMusic, along with every other company that isn't supporting VST3 yet, will lose a zillion customers. All the chat boards tell us this.
It has to come and we all know this. Is there a reason you can't use Kontakt 6 in the meantime? My understanding is that new K7 users who need K6 licenses for backward compatibility are getting them at no charge from NI. Is this not true?
It's only an issue for me when using Kontakt instruments only included with v.7. I have both Kontakt 5 and 6 so most instruments work.
I discovered this plug-in issue after having edited one of my instruments in Kontakt 7. After that I couldn't load it into Kontakt 6. From what I understand it had been converted to v.7. Luckily I chose to work on a copy so I was able to restore the original instrument.
From your information I guess NI provides the original K6 library along with the application.
I'm sure VST3 support will come soon.
I have not been able to find Kontakt 6 to try it with.
My current thinking/work around is that I will use Finale, push our individual midi tracks for the parts and import them in Studio One Pro. Then assign instruments in there (it found vst3s on first bootup).
Unless someone wants to point me at a legit copy of Kontakt6 :)
Thank you all for the help.
The free Kontakt 6 Player is still available for download from a few places including NI (legacy installers) but, if you require the full version of Kontakt 6, you will have to contact Native Instruments. Komplete 14, for example, did not have K7 when first released and included a license for K6. You have to log into your NI account to access this link to see what is available to you.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/support/downloads/update-manager/
If you have a license for Kontakt 7 only, you will have to contact Native Instruments Support to see what your options are.
https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/360014498698-How-to-Contact-NI-Support
On my system, both stand-alone and in Native Access, Kontakt 6 is simply labeled Kontakt as opposed to Kontakt 5 and Kontakt 7.
FWIW, this one works like a charm for me...happily running Kontakt 7 in Finale 27 right now:
I have been struggling with the same problem, never having considered that Finale might not support VST3. Especially since Musescore 4 does. As it is, I have a lot of Garritan instruments that I can use in Finale, but I paid a considerable amount for some Kontakt instruments that I would love to use in my notation program of choice.
Many of us have spent thousands of dollars on Native Instruments products. I own Komplete Ultimate Collectors Edition so you know that I have. Everybody wants VST3 support including us Mac users who understand the advantages over AU. It’s still not here.
As I mentioned in the other board, most Kontakt instruments still work in Kontakt 6 which does support VST2. Until MakeMusic adds VST3, that’s one of your choices. Others have written NI to have a K6 license added to their account. Komplete 14 originally shipped with Kontakt 6, by the way. Kontakt 5 works (64 bit only), also. The KVR solution linked by Thomas Clark above is another option.
No.
Komplete 14 launched with Kontakt 7.
It never included Kontakt 6.
Nope. I remember that Kontakt 7 shipped a few weeks after I upgraded on pre-order. Komplete 14 shipped September ,2022 with K6 and various chat boards went ballistic as they so often do. Kontakt 7 was released in October.
This is easily looked up if that’s important to you. Komplete was released September 22, 2022 and Kontakt 7 was made available October 11.
Gostaria de saber se alguém sabe dizer se existe alguma previsão para o KONTAKT 7 funcionar no FINALE, isso é muito importante para mim. Obrigado.
I wonder if anyone can tell if there is any prediction for KONTAKT 7 to work on…
None of us who post here work for MakeMusic. There has not been any announcement regarding VST3 support in Finale. Sorry.
This is the latest email that I sent to Native Instruments Support. I have yet to hear back.
Hello,
NI does not appear to understand the real issue. It has nothing to do with Windows 11:
Many applications still do not support VST3 including Finale and few others that I help support. Those Windows users who bought Kontakt 7 or Komplete 14 after October 2022 cannot use it at all.
Pre-orders for Komplete 14 received Kontakt 6 in September 2022 then were upgraded to Kontakt 7 for free in October. Mac Users can still use AUs so this is not an issue for them at the moment.
So, the real question: Is there a way for Kontakt 7 owners to obtain a Kontakt 6 license (free or paid) while the rest of the world catches up with Steinberg's depreciation of VST2?
I do not work for MakeMusic. Since I pre-ordered Komplete 14, I already have a Kontakt 6 license. My question is on behalf of many other users that Native Instruments and Steinberg left hanging.
Being told to try and find a used license for Kontakt 6 is not an acceptable answer as is suggested on the Community boards. Kontakt 7 licensees did not cause this problem.
Sincerely...
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