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I am re-orchestrating an existing piece. When I "add staff", the new staff is added for a few measures, then it stops. I have no idea what to do.

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Ver. 2014.5 on Windows 7

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Actually, a new staff is always added to all the measures in the entire document.

That is the way Finale works.

 

You can hide the staff from Page View where you do not need it (this is done with the Staff Tool).

The staff will still be visible everywhere in Scroll View.

 

Since the new, added staff does not show up everywhere in Page View for you, I suggest that you use the Staff Tool to make the staff visible.

Try e. g. this (while you are in the Staff Tool):

Select All, and go to

Staff menu > Show Empty Staves

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Thanks, Peter. I gave up, started a new document, and copied all the notes into the new document. As far as I can see, there would be no reason for Finale to hide any part of a newly added staff without me telling it to, right?

 

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As far as I can see, there would be no reason for Finale to hide any part of a newly added staff without me telling it to, right?

 

Actually, I suspect that you - possibly inadvertently, without knowing it - have told Finale to hide newly added staves in certain regions of the document.

 

You can hide the staff from Page View where you do not need it (this is done with the Staff Tool).

The staff will still be visible everywhere in Scroll View.

In “Finale-speak” this is called “optimizing the score”.

 

Now what if you later add a new staff to a score that has already been optimized in certain regions?

I do understand that you prefer the new staff to appear everywhere in the document.

But I can assure you that some users prefer, that a new staff does not appear in the optimized regions.

In this case Finale does what it is supposed to do - and what users have requested.

 

Obviously, there is also the possibility that your Finale document was corrupted.

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I just had another incident of the sort mentioned above, and I posted it again, knowing the answer would be "some users prefer that a new staff does not appear in the optimized regions." Look....composers should get what they want. I know very few composers who just want to look at scroll view instead of page view. If you write all of your score in pencil first, yes, you have a score to look at. But the advantage of using a computer program instead of writing out everything by hand is that you can copy and paste! We need to see more than a few measures of a score to proceed and to actually compose using Finale. Sorry, Peter. I completely reject this idea that this is what users want.

 

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Sometimes we have deadlines that aren't compatible with waiting for complete answers. I appreciate your quick and complete answer.

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Peter, Adrian, I was wondering if you could help me with a similar problem that Philip had. I am writing an orchestra piece, and for just about 6 or 8 measures in the middle, I want to add a staff for solo cello, and another one for solo viola. It doesn't really work to keep them on the same staff with different layers, because the solo parts go quite high, and the section is playing much lower, therefore the clefs don't work, etc. So, I went to the new staves dialogue box, and can add a staff, but I was hoping that I could specify the measure numbers - I don't need it for the entire score. When I add a group, it has this option (specifying measure numbers). I tried this as well, but no new staff appeared. Your solution above, about optimizing staves in page view would work, but on the 1st page of the score, I don't want "solo cello" or "solo viola" to appear, but I want all the other instruments to be listed, of course, even if many of them are not playing at the beginning. What would you say is the best solution for this? For these two staffs, I suppose I could input measures to "hide staves" for the entire piece except for measures 279-285.

I started with Finale waaay back in 1993 with a Mac IIci

However, now I am using Finale 25, Windows 7

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I would

  1. lock systems
  2. switch to Scroll View
  3. open the Score Manager to add the "solo" breakout staves and position them vertically in the layout (then close Score Manager)
  4. enter the notes for the solo parts in the appropriate measures (in Scroll View)
  5. use the Staff Tool to tell Finale to Hide Empty measures for those two parts
  6. only then switch to Page View to format from the pages in which the solos appear to the end of the composition, unlocking and relocking systems from the insert part to the end of the composition as needed
  7. this is the time and place to create special staff Groups to affect just the measures with the solo inserts

 

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Thanks, Adrian! I had a concert tonight, so I haven't had a chance to implement your procedures yet. But they look like they will do the trick.

One more question - when I create the cello and viola parts, will the few measures of the solo parts be there, or will I need to follow your suggestions above to split the parts into two staffs for that section? Or since I am asking about parts, is there a totally different procedure?

Thanks again, Jeff

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To format the Viola Part (for example), use Document > Manage Parts to

  1. select the Viola Part
  2. add the Viola Solo staff to it

 

 

Then, when you format the Viola part, you pretty much go through the same steps as I listed above, except

  1. if you have not already formatted the part, you do not have to work in Scroll View
  2. you do not have to add notes to the Viola Solo, since they already exist
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