… two staves in the individual parts …

It is not clear what you mean:

A) One 2-staves part.

B) Two 1-staff parts.

A) or B)?

The full score has two parts on the same staff. The players parts are printed with each  part on a separate stave, but both on the same sheet.

I still do not understsnd what you mean.

… The players parts are printed with each part on a separate stave, but both on the same sheet …

Does that mean

A) One 2-staves part (= a “mini-score” with 2 staves),

or

B) Two 1-staff parts (no “mini-score”), concatenated on the same page, one full part below the other, but not with common barlines, like one full part (multiple systems) on the upper half of the page, and the other full part (multiple systems) on the lower half of the page.

In Other Words: one part after the other.

A)? or B)?

A please.

And, of course, if creating the parts on two staves first is easier, that is fine as long as the full score has both parts on the same staff.

There are, as is almost everything in Finale, a couple ways to do this. One is to use layers in your score. Put flute 1 on layer 1 and flute 2 on layer 2. Simply hide the layer you don't want to print in your parts when you print them. The two parts will be identical except for the notes.

Here is a sample I did in a recent score that has two bassoon parts.

But if I am printing part books for all the instruments, it shouldn't be a printing problem, because I want a clean looking layout like you get in Documents/Parts:

… two staves in the individual part without copying anything …

… A) please … (= a “mini-score” with two staves in one part)

As far As I Can Tell, “without copying anything” it is not possible to have the score display {two parts in one staff}, and have the part display {two staves in one part}.

The problem is that you can not display the same staff twice in the very same part.

Workaround (which requires a little copying):

1) Add an extra Flute staff to the document, and copy the Flute notes to this extra staff.

You can hide this extra staff in the score.

2) In the Flutes part, display both staves.

In the upper staff (= 1st Flute), use a staff style to hide Layer 2.

In the lower staff (= 2nd Flute), use a staff style to hide Layer 1.

I have been doing exactly that, but that means there are 2 copies that can easily get out of synch. Something close that was done in one of the Finale Superuser posts using various check boxes to create the parts, but they don't end up on the same page as orchestra players prefer, because they need to know what the other player is doing, esp if one of them is absent.

I am sure this problem has been solved since it is so very common in orchestra parts. I just can't figure out how.

James, 

You can still do this and keep everything linked to everything but it is a little more involved. I used a piano staff in the score and copied part one to the top staff and part 2 to the bottom staff. Hide this staff in the score. Of course you can edit everything to make it look like flute or in my case a combined bassoon part for the musicians.

James,

Make sure you are using "Linked Parts" and not "Extract Parts".

When you hide the "piano flute/bassoon" staves, you score will still look like this. Just keep it active while you are composing on it.

Yes, I am using linked parts, and doing much what you suggest. But it is the copying that I want to avoid. The same information should to have to be in two places where they may accidentally diverge.

I create a staff for Flute1 and a staff for Flute2, and move Flute 2 to the 2nd layer. Then I create a combined staff with those two layers and hide the individual ones. I use them in generating the parts. But surely I shouldn't have to copy things?

James give the piano method a try. It is really pretty easy and almost not any more effort on your part. Everything is still linked and using the hide staves makes it simple. Everything will line up perfectly. You can wait until you are completely done with your score and then copy the two flute parts to the hidden piano staves.

I thought there used to be a plug-in that could take a staff with two parts on it and separate them. Does that no longer exist?

The Utilities/Explode music does exactly that.

I AM using the "piano method" but it doesn;t scale very well for multiple instruments, and copying mean there is the possibility of divergence between the two versions.  This is such a common requirement, I can;t believe there isn;t a simple way to achieve it. The competition clearly has this solved.

James,

I guess you will have to put me in the same boat as Peter. I don't understand. Doing it my piano way has to keep everything exactly the same in the parts as the score. The Parts should scale or do wherever edits you want just like any part and also reflect that in the score.

If MM or any other notation software would have, or has, this feature it would almost certainly use the set-up, or code, that allows the piano score/part have two identical staves. As long as you select Linked Parts they should remain exactly the same and edit exactly the same.

Perhaps Peter and I are missing something?

I think maybe I misunderstood you. I think you are saying that you have the two flute lines copied to the two hidden staves where were originally for a nonexistent piano part. Then you hide those to staves. So the two layer flute line shows in the full score, and when you create the linked parts, you use the hidden piano lines. Right? But if you discover that you need to make a change in the flute parts, you have to change it in both places, right? One for the full score and one for the piano lines which are really the separate parts.

And suppose there are also two clarinet and two trumpet parts? In each case you create two hidden staves for the split parts and keep the 2-layer ones for display in the full score. Do I understand you correctly, or am I missing your point?  Thanks very much for your patience!

What I would do is the create my score as I wanted it with all the instruments. Then add a piano staff for each instrument that needed the two instrument, 1st and 2nd, part. In your example case create it right under the Flute 1 and 2 staff. Flute 1 resides on layer 1 and flute 2 lives on layer 2. Hide all those extra flute/piano staves. Now compose!  All done. Unhide the flute/piano staves and copy the layer 1 to Flute 1 top staff. Copy the layer two, Flute 2 to the bottom which would be the bass clef piano staff. Of course you will have changed it to treble clef.

These new added parts will show up in your linked parts. Ignore the actual Flute 1 and 2 as you won't need them unless you find an edit later on. You will either have to recopy the entire line or do the edit in each staff. But this will work and will keep everything linked to the score. As any edits in the score will automatically show in your flute/piano part.

OK, thanks. That is exactly what I am doing now. I was just hoping there was a more efficient way, sort of like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7v7BFUgSYM

And suppose there are also two clarinet and two trumpet parts? In each case you create two hidden staves for the split parts and keep the 2-layer ones for display in the full score.

Yes you could do this as many times for as many instruments as you wanted. I play 2nd trombone and sometimes bass trombone in our local symphony and run across a piece we were doing that had both the 1st and 2nd trombone on the same page. German: Three Dances from Henry VIII. Both in alto clef I might add!

I was just hoping there was a more efficient way, sort of like this one:

James, James you call that more efficient and easier then the piano way? Plus it still does not get you to the two flute parts, 1 and 2 ,on the same page as you asked for. When you do it the way I suggested any and all the multi-measure rests or expressions and articulations will show on the correct part without you doing any extra effort. You can still set up the flute 1 and 2 in the score the way as shown in the video. That's cool.

No, I call it clever and built-in, but hard to use. It doesn't do what I want, but there should be a way that does.

Well all I can say my way will work and it is not difficult to do. Its up tp you to either use it or find another way. The best feature of Finale is there are always several ways to do things. Mine is just one of them.

Your way definitely works, and I have been using it for years. Thanks.

Gee, I thought I was helping but if you are already doing it, you are well ahead of the game.

But to answer this then ...

But how can you make this into two staves in the individual parts without copying anything?

... you can't.