Hi Vanessa,

It seems you're quite right from what research I've done. (from a guy who plays a bit with the samples and SFZ files.)

The sample it's playing seems to be in the wrong octave for the low C.

Can you just let me know which libraries you're using, I'm assuming GPO5, anything else?

And, exactly which individual instruments or ensembles your loading?

What I can do is alter the .SFZ files to play another sample (maybe the note above, but retuned to C.

(this is a normal way of doing things!)

Regards,

JohnG.

Hi John,

Thank you for your reply. :-)

I had begun to accept the fact that the (written) C3 does playback pizz. properly, but that the sound is clipped, leaving the first partial, C4.
At the suggestion of the tech desk, I listened intently through quality headphones to come to that conclusion.

However the notes above and below do speak properly and clearly.

AGAIN, this happens with "pizz." but not with "arco."

I have attached a screenshot to show you the instrumentation, but it is the Garritan Double Bass Solo KS.
The same thing happens with the section strings, Basses KS.

:-)
Vanessa

Oops!

Forgot to mention that I am using GPO4 :-)

Is GPO5 substantially different?

:-)
Vanessa

Hi Vanessa,

My pleasure. Actually I quite enjoy finding little faults (human errors) and trying to fix them.

Let me add, before I'm misunderstood, that there are amazingly few that I've come across in the Garritan libraries (fingers of one hand)!

Just a comment, in the above example you're using the instruments that come with Finale not GPO4 samples.

If you click on "Garritan Instruments for Fi..." do you get the option to change to GPO4?

If not, then there's a fairly simple update to Finale (which version do you have, 26?) that can be done, that I can point you to.

Lastly, when you say C3, I need to be clear exactly which note we're referring to (different sytems of notattion call the same note different names. Is it the very bottom white note that the contrabass can play? I have noticed that there seems to be a fault with the sample used there.

Both the KS piz. and the pizzicato use the same sample. To be expected really.

The modification to the SFZ code (public domain) is amazingly straightforward and takes a few moments to change. I'll do that.

The corrected file then needs to be downloaded and put in the correct place in your computer.

Sounds complex, but actually isn't to bad to implement.

I did it beore some while back to the Oboe d'Amore (as I recall) in GPO5 and GPO5 which had a small glitch in the playback sample loop.

Kind regards,

JohnG.

Kind regards,

Hi JohnG.

I have attached another JPEG for you. As you can see, the music displays "as written," and sounds one octave lower.

I am sure you know this, but just to let you know from my perspective, A440--the pitch the oboe plays when the orchestra tunes--is A4;
C4 is "middle C,"
One octave below "middle C" is C3, which is the written note that is problematic; it sounds as C2  -- just to clarify :-)

The screenshot also shows what happens when I click on "Garritan Instruments for Fi..." 
From what I understand, when I installed Finale v25 (which I have, along with Windows 7), the Garritan Personal Orchestra 4.02 was installed automatically.

In this example, the pitch in question plays back correctly in the first line, which is marked "arco."
Bars 9 through the end play back correctly, except for Bar 16--yet in this context almost sounds correct :-)

Hope this helps,
:-)
Vanessa

Hi Vanessa,

Thanks for the clarification. It was the "it sounds as C2" that was I particularly after.

And the pizzicato C2 is the note that I discovered, whether in the keyswitch or separate pizz., that sounds incorrectly. I'll go ahead with the modification of the SFZ file and post that shortly when I've tested it thoroughly.

Meanwhile, from the screenshot you posted, it would appear that GPO4 has not been correctly set up for Finale in your installation.

As well as Garritan Instruments for Finale and SmartMusic SoftSynth you should see GPO4 instruments.

This is a screenshot from my choice, you'll see GPO4 is there.

To make this happen in your copy of Finale got to this page:-

https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217663758-Setting-up-Garritan-libraries-with-Finale-and-PrintMusic 

And follow the instructions. The next time you start Finale you should see a new set of instruments for GPO4.

To answer an earlier question, GPO5 contains most of GPO4 within it but has some major additions.

A lot more articulations within the strings from the old GOS library. Additions to choir, organ and pianos come to mind too.

Whether it's worthwhile upgrade is really up to your own usage and/or financial situation, but I suspect that you haven't discovered all that's within GPO4 yet.

Meanwhile, I'll get started with the modification.

Kind regards,

JohnG.

P.S. to look at the extras within GPO5, take a look at this page:-

https://www.garritan.com/products/personal-orchestra-5/features-benefits/ 

Take a look through the various tabs to discover what's there.

You can upgarde for still, I think, for just $49.95. But the download is now 3.4 GB rather than 950MB.

It takes quite a while to set it all up, so don't try to do it in a rush if you do decide to upgrade.

And you'll probably have to do a similar procedure to get GPO5 to work with Finale.

My advice would be get "used to GPO4 first, then ..." ;-)

JohnG.

Hi John,

Well, I did as you suggested, and everything appeared to work GPO4 did appear in the list in ScoreManager.
However, they did not seem to work. They looked like they did, but the sounds continued to be from the Finale instruments.

In addition, I did go to the "Sound Map Priority" and set GPO4 to the top.

One thing that was evident is the automatic transposition when another instrument (other than the double bass) was selected, and the additional staves when the organ was selected.

SO, since I have been having problems with V25 from the beginning, I went ahead and upgraded to Finale 26 and GPO5.
I figure I may as well get a clean start with both.

My question now is, should I install Finale v26 first, and then install GPO5?

Is there any special order to the installation process of both, or perhaps a magic spell I should cast when trying to get the two to work together?

Thank you! :-)

:-)
Vanessa

Hi Vanessa,

Intreresting! I too, very recently, did the upgrade to Finale 26, but for me from 2012c. I went from GPO4 to 5 when 5 was announced back in Feb.'16. I've had GPO4 since late '09.

All the libraries that you see in my screen shot were already installed on my PC, but they weren't automatically installed into 26, I had to go through the procedure you've just completed ... for each library, quite long winded but it all worked first time every time.

So, what I'd try in your circumstances, is to do the 25 to 26 upgrade first, then install GPO5.

I can't guarantee that'll work, I'm not an employee of MakeMusic or Garritan, though I think it should.

But at least now you know how to register a library in any fairly recent version of Finale, and it isn't too onerous (IMHO).

Here's a link to the top level of Garritan set up within Finale.

https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217663758-Setting-up-Garritan-libraries-with-Finale-and-PrintMusic 

Meanwhile, I'll I'm working on the pizzicato smaples. Actually I find that several of the contrabass pizzicato sounds are not quite all that I'd expect.

Kind regards,

JohnG.

Hi, again, John,

Well, I am making some progress. I had not realized I was not using GPO4.
ScoreManager showed Garritan instruments for Finale, so I had assumed that was it.

You are certainly correct--there are a lot of other choices with GPO4 properly installed.

So, in my pursuit of knowledge, I have posted another problem at:
https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360024857973

It is about how to change a Garritan instrument mid-score.
For example, I might want violin section for a few bars with "short bows" (very effective sound), but followed with "lush mutes" for a few bars.

How do I make that change and then back again?

This would also include how to change from normal to muted strings and back again using Violin I Solo Ks, etc.

Thank you for your help!
:-)
Vanessa

To answer this you need to understand a little bit about how a computer based sample player works, in this case ARIA, and how it interfaces with the MIDI note playback being transmitted form the notation program or DAW software.

When you load a score into Finale or when you first select playback in Finale, you'll notice that there's a pause as ARIA loads the samples of the instruments, defined in the score, into memory. Each instrument or its keyswitch multi-sample is loaded into a "slot" in ARIA which responds to note commands on one MIDI channel. Only the articultions in that KS instrument can be played without re-loading.

But, by using layers, we can have multiple instruments, each in its own slot in ARIA, each responding to a different MIDI channel.

Multiple copies of ARIA can exist simultaneously, each responding to a MIDI "port" with 16 MIDI channels in each copy.

This is where sample players don't have the advantage over hardware, where one can just send a patch change message, but the problem can be solved in another way.  Does the above make any sense?

I see Adrian has answered quite extensively in his response to your post.

So, layers are the answer.

Regards,

JohnG.

Hi John,

Although I have already responded to you privately, this is for others who might read this thread.

In essence--in addition to your great help--the change to Finale v26 and GPO5 made all the difference.

All of the pizzicato sounds for the Double Bass Solo KS are very clean and resonant.

My cure: upgrade to GPO5 :-)

Thank you, again,
:-)
Vanessa

Hi Vanessa,

I haven't seen a private message yet, where should I look?

If you want to learn a lot more about the use of Garritan libraries, then you will find a fairly ful set of tutorials in the help screen.

Go to "Garritan& Human Playback" and do some extensive reading there. It's where i learned most about using the libraries with Finale.

Kind regards,

JohnG.

Hi John,

I just realized I had not yet replied to your latest--my apologies.

So, I looked at Garritan & Human Playback" and quickly realized how very much more I have missed out on than I had heretofore thought.

Thank you, again, for all of your help :-)

:-)
Vanessa