… I solved the cadenza by changing the time signature to 27/8 …

Instead of changing the time signature to 27/8 I would keep the 12/8 time signature, and use hidden tuplets for the cadenza.

To make the cadenza notes smaller I would use the utility:

Utilities menu> Change > Note Size…

… The other problem is the lefthand piano part flows over into the right hand …

You can do cross staff notes with the Note Mover Tool.

Also, there is a plug-in for cross staff notes: Plug-ins menu > TG Tools > Cross Staff…

However, in this case I would use the Note Mover Tool.

I would approach it slightly differently than Peter. I would keep the 27/8 meter, having it display as 12/8. It should space correctly using this method. To hide the rests, put the cursor on the rest and press the "o" key. Or in Simple Entry or Speedy Entry options, uncheck fill with rests. (This will only prevent rests for displaying from this point forward, it will not hide rests which are already in your document)

And as Peter said, use the Note Mover tool for cross staff notes.

Thanks for the input. I have managed to solve most of the problems, however, I still cannot get the rests the way I want them and wonder if there is any way to forward my pdf or better still musx file covering this snippet.

1. No problem with the clarinet cadenza which I kept as 27/8

2. The cross-over also worked. I limited the left hand to the first two 8th notes but could not get the subsequent quarter note rests to appear as such - they change to 8th note rests every time I alter focus to another part of the music. The excess rests in the bar were hidden.

3. The right hand was written starting with the third 8th note on the left hand, however, I had to nudge all the righthand notes to the right in order to get them properly aligned when I did the cross-over. The quarter note rest under the second semibreve could not be achieved and changed to an 8th note rests as soon as I altered my focus in the music or tried to introduce the semibreve. The excess rests were hidden.

I would appreciate any feedback you can offer, John

… I limited the left hand to the first two 8th notes but could not get the subsequent quarter note rests to appear as such - they change to 8th note rests every time I alter focus to another part of the music …

… The quarter note rest under the second semibreve could not be achieved and changed to an 8th note rests as soon as I altered my focus in the music or tried to introduce the semibreve …

My guess is that the rhythmical values will not get re-transcribed, if you fill the measure before you “alter focus”.

If I understand your attached graphic correctly, the first measure displays as a 6/4 measure (not as a 12/8 measure), right?

I mean, the bottom pattern with

two eighths, quarter rest, quarter rest

looks like 6/4, not like 12/8,

- right?

The cross staff notes are sextuplet eighths (= six eighths in the space of two quarters), right?

I would enter the cross staff notes in the {right hand staff} (begin the staff with a hidden quarter rest), and move the first notes down into {the left hand staff}.

By The Way:

I do not understand why you use a “real” time signature of 27/8 ?!?

As Far As I Can Tell, there is not need for more than a “real” 12/4 time signature.

The music is written from the start in 12/8 and the introduction of 27/8 was done to fit the clarinet cadenza (one bar). Unfortunately, this seems to affect the piano part also which is why I get the extra rests and have to hide them.

< My guess is that the rhythmical values will not get re-transcribed, if you fill the measure before you “alter focus”.

I'm not sure I follow you here but will try to implement your idea and see if I can adjust my rests from 8th to 4th rests.

John

I would use hidden tuplets and hidden rests to simulate what you show. To get what I think were repeat slashes would have to be slash noteheads without stems, since a Staff style doesn't give the right number of slashes.

My shot at the cadenza measure - as it looks before I hide the tuplets and the rests.

The “real” time signature is 12/4.

And by hiding the extra rests, Peter's solution would be very close to the original idea.