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I am working on Finale 2008.  I wasted a whole day trying to figure out why I cannot see the chimes or harp on a full orchestral score when in page view.  This makes absolutely no sense.  What purpose could this possibly serve?  How do I change this so I can see the chimes and harp in page view?  By the way, staff attributes indicate that the chimes and harp are NOT hidden.  My operating system is Windows 7.  

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Do they show in scroll view?

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Yes.  Everything shows up in studio and scroll views.

 

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Alan Palider,

 

Try this:

Staff Tool.

Staff menu > Show Staff Styles (select this option)

Staff menu > Show Staff Style Names (select this option)

Do not worry!

They will only show when you are in the Staff Tool.

* When you now view the score in Scroll View, do you see any staff styles on the harp and chimes staves?

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Tried it.  Absolutely nothing changed.  By the way, let me make this very clear:  I have no problem with Scroll View.  I have no problem with Studio View.  The Chimes and Harp Staves only disappear when I am in Page View.  Look at the question, again.  

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Alan Palider,

 

I am sorry, I have expressed myself unclearly.

My post was meant as a test, not as a solution.

I suspect that the culprit could be a staff style that hides the staves.

 

* When you have selected the display of Staff Styles and Staff Style Names, do you - in Scroll View - see any staff styles on the harp and chimes staves?

If the answer is yes, then check whether there is a staff style that hides the staff.

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The harp and chimes staves have exactly the same staff styles as all other instruments.  One would think the staff styles or staff attributes panels would shed some light on this, but they don't.  This is thoroughly aggravating.  Am I the only person that adds instruments (subsequently) to a score?  I suppose Finale expects me to recreate the entire score in the set-up wizard.  Unfortunately, I don't have four months or so to waste.  

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Furthermore, I'm dead in the water because Finale will provide no assistance to any unfortunate peons who are using Finale 2012 or earlier versions (shame on us for not upgrading).  

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Alan Palider,

 

Since we have now estasblished, that the culprit is not a staff style, let us move on to other possibilities.

 

If I Recall Correctlty, you are using Finale 2008, right?

That version was developed and released in the summer 2007, and I am not sure whether version 2008 used the old way of hiding staves from Page View.

 

Two things to try (this is from memory, shooting in the dark):

 

1) Staff Tool.

Select All.

Staff menu > Show Empty Staves

 

2) Page Layout Tool.

Select all systems.

Page Layout menu > Systems > Allow Individual Staff Spacing (de-select this option)

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IIRC Hide Staff replaced the Optimize function in Finale 2012. (Same year as intro of Score Manager, no?)

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Peter, I'm afraid you're thinking of a different edition.  First, there is no way for me to select 'All'.  Also, there is no 'Show Empty Staves' in the Staff drop-down menu.  

I went to the Page Layout menu and de-selected the 'Allow Individual Staff Spacing'.  It had no effect.  

Also, I have noticed the Score Merge also screwed-up the middle section of this work (again, ONLY in page view).  The instruments are every which way.  For example, the 2nd Violin Line just disappears and is replaced by a Bass Trombone.  This is some really f@cked-up software.  I really don't have time to be messing with this.  The only thing that accurately represents this work is what is shown in Scroll and/or Studio View.  Unfortunately, the score is reproduced off of the Page view.  Looks like I'll have to go back to the set-up wizard and recreate the entire work, note by note.  Does Finale really think people compose straight off from measure one? I think even Mozart would have had some difficulty with that.  

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Copy everything into a new Document.

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Adrian, I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

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Copy everything into a new document....   I guess I should expect such responses from an internet forum,  

 

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Is there anyone out there that is intimately familiar with Finale 2008 and its shortcomings?  Anyone??

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Now, you’re getting nasty.

 

Maybe I should respond that everyone who was intimately familiar with Finale 2008 has moved on to a more current product. But I won’t say that.

 

I could say that copying everything into a new score shouldn’t take more than half an hour, if that. But I won’t say that.

 

I could say that Adrian’s comment was perfectly in line, and if you don’t understand it, maybe the problem is on your end. But I won’t say that.

I could say that “have to recreate the entire score, note by note” is one of the poorest suggestions made in this thread. But I won’t say that.

I will say, maybe you should copy your score, delete everything but the first page, delete all the music, leaving only a blank score. And politely ask if anyone is willing to look at it on their system, if you email it to them.

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… I went to the Page Layout menu and de-selected the 'Allow Individual Staff Spacing'.  It had no effect …

 

Alan Palider,

 

Another thing to try:

Page Layout Tool.

Page Layout menu > Redefine Pages…

 

Explanation:

When creating new pages, Finale formats the new pages according to the settings in Page Format for Score.

Obviously you should first examine the settings in Page Format for Score, and correct the settings if they are not, as you need them.

When new pages are created, already existing pages are not affected.

To update already existing pages with the settings in Page Format for Score, use the command Redefine Pages.

 

NB:

When you Redefine Pages, all pages will get the same layout settings.

All {individual page} layout edits (like e. g. resizing a single page to a different scaling percentage) will be lost.

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OK.  I apologize. Not only am I very frustrated that I cannot proceed in a timely manner, but yesterday I hurt my back and am now down to about 40% mobility.   I did not say anything 'nasty' to Adrian.  I was quite honest when I replied that I had no idea what he is referring to.  I still don't.  Please excuse me for not being computer software savvy.  I am a musician by profession.  I used to use Finale 2001 for ages.  Never had a problem with it.  However, when I started this project I noticed the playback would no longer work in Windows 7 (the Windows XP computer that I used 2001 on crashed).  So, I started using Finale 2008 (originally used on a Vista system, but that one pooped out after a power outage).  I am a performer, primarily; so, I never felt the need to upgrade every year as Finale would prefer.  I just don't write that often to justify it.  Whatever is happening must be one very rare occurrence.  I actually am in the process of emailing the file to someone (hopefully, someone who can determine the cause and offer a course of action to correct).   

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OK, apology accepted. How about taking my last suggestion, and mailing me one page of a blank score? Send it to wawoodman at aol dot com.

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Peter Thomsen:  Yes! Definitely moving in the right direction.  Remind me to send you a bottle of wine! I can definitely work with this.  A few anomalies still persist:  The bottom portion of the score (viola, 'cello & bass) is shrouded in grey...almost as though the page used in Page View is not large enough (??).  Also, page 16 (measure 160) and page 35 (measure 351) have their own page (in other words, a full page just for one measure).  ??  What do you think is going on there?  I tried using the 'Redefine Page' command for that specific page (I was on p. 16 of the score in Page View when I tried this), but there was no effect.   Even still, if this is the best I can do in Finale 2008, THANK YOU, THANK YOU and furthermore, THANK YOU!

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>> The bottom portion of the score (viola, 'cello & bass) is shrouded in grey...almost as though the page used in Page View is not large enough...

Yes, that's what it means. The page is too small or the system is too big. The instruments should still sound.

 

>> Also, page 16 (measure 160) and page 35 (measure 351) have their own page (in other words, a full page just for one measure). 

See if there is a padlock at the end of the line. That means the system is locked (with just one measure in it). You should be able to find a command to unlock the system(s). In v25 it is in the Utilities menu.

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