If it worked correctly in the past, but now it doesn't, trash the preferences.

Please describe exactly your entry method. Maybe we can spot something.

Ok.  In the instance about which I was concerned, in 2/4, I entered an 8th rest, a tuplet of three 16th notes, followed by two 8th notes.  The result was a sollitary 8th rest, and then 16th note tuplet followed by a 16th rest and two 8th notes, all of which were coralled by the tuplet bracket.  I could not break the two 8th notes out of the bracket, nor could I explain why the 16th rest followed the tuplet notes.  Weird.  And, thanks!

How did you define the 16th-note tuplet? Tuplets are not necessarily triplets.

John Havener,

In this particular case the tuplet should be defined as

3 sixteenths in the space of 2 sixteenths

Make sure that the tuplet definition is correct.

From your description, it sounds like you have the tuplet defined as 3 eighths in the space of 2 eights. That would explain the extra notes under the bracket.

Do as Peter suggests, and make sure the tuplet is defined with 16ths.

The tuplet was defined as three sixteenths in the space of one 8th.  I am actually extracting parts from a hardcopy score to individual parts, and this figure is in the original:  8th rest, three 16ths in a triplet, followed by two 8th notes, all in a bar of 2/4...

John,

I'm not sure what's up, but I had no problem doing it. If you like, give me a call at 2 oh 6, 5 two 3, 9628, and I'll see if I can walk you through it.

To Adrian and Peter,

  I've had some problems understanding the notation, which were cleared up by reading this post.  I was trying to do a quintuplet over a 1/2 note, but using 1/4 notes, as it was in 12/8 time, and the dotted-quarter was the unit of beat.

  I tried 8th notes, and it worked just fine.

  So, thanks for the post.

After some more work, the quintuplet over a half-note works just fine, but a 5 dotted-quarter-note quintuplet over the whole measure doesn't.  I always get the extra rest intruding into the next measure (but not functionally part of it), or a 16th rest in the measure...

okay, well, I guess I just had to let the computer warm up enough, cause now it works just fine. 

… dotted-quarter-note quintuplet over the whole measure doesn't …

There are several ways to enter a tuplet.

One of the ways (= probably the way you are entering a tuplet) will not let you end a measure with a tuplet unless you de-select “Check for Extra Notes”.

Thanks, Peter... so I see that it's in the Speedy Entry Tool.  I never use that.  Is it something I'd normally want, or would I have to go back and forth with select, de-select, etc.

Incidentally, I noticed (in the Tuplet Definition dialog box) an item that says, "Never bracket beamed notes on beam side."  I don't have a problem with that--it's in the example above in this thread, and I think I've seen publishers do that as long as I've been studying music, but I can't de-select it.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Jon

… I see that it's in the Speedy Entry Tool.  I never use that.  Is it something I'd normally want, or would I have to go back and forth with select, de-select, etc. …

Both the Speedy Entry Tool and the Simple Entry Tool have the option “Check for Extra Notes”.

Also, both entry tools have a Tuplet (sub-)Tool.

This means that you seldom need the third Tuplet Tool, namely the (main) Tuplet Tool on the Main Tool Palette; you can enter tuplets without leaving the entry tool.

I have only experienced the problem {end-of-measure tuplet} when using Simple Entry’s sub-tool Tuplet Tool, never in Speedy Entry.

I can generally enter tuplets without de-selecting “Check for Extra Notes”, both in Simple and in Speedy.

I have only experienced the {end-of-measure tuplet} problem with one of Simple’s tuplet entry methods.

… I noticed (in the Tuplet Definition dialog box) an item that says, "Never bracket beamed notes on beam side."  I don't have a problem with that--it's in the example above in this thread, and I think I've seen publishers do that as long as I've been studying music, but I can't de-select it …

There are 3 “radio buttons”:

- Always Use Specified Shape

- Never Bracket Beamed Notes on Beam Side

- Bracket Unbeamed Notes Only

You must select precisely one radio button - can neither select two nor de-select all 3 of them. That is why they are called “radio buttons”.

Also, in the pop up menu above the “radio buttons” you have three choices for the Shape:

- Nothing

- Slur

- Bracket