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How do I set up a no meter staff for Gregorian chant notation on Finale 2014?

 

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So there's a couple of ways to achieve a non-metered staff in Finale, so you may hear a couple different things.
My suggestion would be to count how many beats you want in the one measure/system and make that number the time signature. Then using the staff tool, go to the menu Staff > Edit Staff Attributes and then in the bottom right, uncheck "Time Signature" under "Items To Display." The pain is that you have to count the beats for each measure/system before hand, so it requires a bit of pre-planning, but that will get you the non-metered look you're wanting. 
Again, there's a couple more ways to do this, but I thought I'd share what I do most often.

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Or you can set up a time signature of 100/4 (or the like) and then revise after you have your phrase in.

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Thanks for the comments. I followed the suggestion using the Staff Tool and it worked well enough - it was actually fine, just AWFULLY cumbersome!! I'm beginning to think I should just brush up on my music calligraphy. It's a whole lot faster than using Finale most of the time. In general, the Finale program is a bit too much "inside the box" for my tastes.

I'll try the 100/4 or 100/8 idea one of these days. That may work better for longer chants with just the little phrase tic and no barlines.

 

Thank you both for responding.

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Is there any fonts which work with Finale to notate gregorian chant in the old medieval way on four lines and square notes?

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Here's the online help. It calls for standard notes, though, not neumes.

https://usermanuals.finalemusic.com/Finale2014Mac/Content/Finale/Chant.htm

 

>Is there any fonts which work with Finale to notate gregorian chant in the old medieval way on four lines and square notes?<

 

Those are Neumes. Here's an old discussion of this with a link to a font and plugin. I have no idea if it works in Finale after 2010 on anything other than a PPC or OS 10.6 with Rosetta—I suspect not.

http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5&m=105607

 

Here's the link in English:

http://www.klemm-music.de/notation/medieval/

 

If you find anything later, please post it. I have this chant project coming up. I'd really like to put together a score that has neumes in one staff and modern notation in another.

As it is, I keep an old G4 with Finale 2002 installed. It looks like I could use the Medieval plugin to do what I want if they sell it to me. Cool thread!

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Finale comes with some ready made examples of gregorian chant notation.

 

Take a look at the files in

File menu > Open Worksheets & Repertoire > Repertoire > Classical > Vocal

 

Two of the examples might be particularly interesting:

Anon. Veni, Veni (Chant)

and

Praetorius Es ist ein Ros entsprungen

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Thank you very much!!!

I'd like to know how the worksheet Veni, veni Emmanuel is made. Do you know if there is some explanation anywhere? 

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Anders Dillmar,

 

You wrote:

“I'd like to know how the worksheet Veni, veni Emmanuel is made.”

 

Just open the document, and look at its settings.

 

1) The clef was done in the Clef Designer

2) The 4-line staff was done via the Score Manager’s chiclet Instrument List.

3) The notehead font et Maestro 20 (not size 24, but size 20).

To see the notehead font character, go to

Document Options > Notes & Rests > Notehead Characters

4) Alle notes are entered as quarter notes.

5) In the Staff Attributes you can see that the time signatures do not display.

Each system is only one measure (with a BIG time signature).

6) The short stems are added as articulations.

7) The short barlines are added as expressions.

8) The small horizontal lines (tenuto lines) are smart shapes.

9) Some of the noteheads have been changed to a diamond character.

This is done with the Special Tools Tool.

10) The notes are Stemless Notes.

In the document it is done via a staff style, but you can also do Stemless Notes via the Staff Attributes.

 

You will figure it out.

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Thanks very much! I figured out some of this by myself - but not all.  Some more short questions.

Is there a possibility to write "oblique neumes" (a diagonal stroke of the pen) ? 

And is there a possibility to write a "quilisma" (a wavy line in ascending figures). 

Can I make those signs by myself and import them into the program? Is there any instructions for this anywhere? 

Sorry, but I couldn't find the Clef Designer. Is that a plug-in or a separate program? 

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1) I am not familiar with the symbols “oblique neumes” and “quilisma”.

Hence I can not tell whether the glyphs can be found in one of the music fonts you get for free with Finale.

If the shapes are not too complicated, then you could probably create them in the Shape Designer, and then add them as a shape articulation or as a shape expression.

The so called Shape Designer is a small drawing program inside Finale.

It is tailored for use in Finale, and it has some features that are Finale specific, like the option of displaying a staff behind the shape so that you can see, what the shape will look like in the score.

Also, you might be able to find the glyphs for“oblique neumes” and “quilisma” in some third party fonts (free fonts or pay-money-for fonts).

 

2) The location of the Clef Designer:

Document menu > Document Options > Clefs > Clef Designer…

 

3) Generally, to get to a specific dialog box in Finale (like the Clef Designer, or the Shape Designer), use the online manual’s search function.

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Back to my earlier post. I don't see how to do neumes correctly in any recent version of Finale. Since I have a G4 and old versions of Finale, I'm trying to get a copy of Medieval plugin.

 

i recently compiled a list of resources for plainsong and chant. Although modern notation can approximate it, nothing really takes the place of the old notation, one of the many reasons there is still an interest.

Liber usualis

http://media.musicasacra.com/pdf/liberusualis.pdf

Modern notation 4 parts

http://www.ccwatershed.org/media/pdfs/13/07/11/16-09-52_0.pdf
http://www.ccwatershed.org/media/pdfs/13/07/11/16-11-22_0.pdf
http://www.ccwatershed.org/media/pdfs/13/07/11/16-14-12_0.pdf
http://www.ccwatershed.org/media/pdfs/13/07/11/16-15-22_0.pdf

Anglican Use Gradual

http://anglicanhistory.org/music/gradual/gradual.pdf

American Gradual

http://media.musicasacra.com/books/americangradual1.pdf

St Bede Productions, links
http://www.stbedeproductions.com/?p=903

Idiots Guide to Square Notes
http://ceciliaschola.org/pdf/squarenotes.pdf

mp3s
http://musicasacra.com/recordings/audio/

Haligweorc Chant Resource Page
https://haligweorc.wordpress.com/haligweorc-chant-resource-page/

New School Guide History, lessons 1910, revised 1925
http://media.musicasacra.com/pdf/Newschool_johner.pdf

 

 

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These forum posts are nearly impossible to edit on an iPad.

 

Start at page 11 of the Liber Usualis link to get an idea of what she's talking about. Many pages follow on how to sing them. 

http://media.musicasacra.com/pdf/liberusualis.pdf

 

i don't know of a current notation product that can do this. Back in the day, I used a Schaefer Calligraphy pen set. Unfortunately, my dominant arm is crippled by a stroke so that option is no longer available to me. This is why I'd like to see a software solution, too.

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Thanks again! I searched in Finale help menu, but there was no Clef Designer there. I should have searched in the online manual.... 

I agree - it would be very fine if the Medieval plug-in could be updated. I have asked Klemm and got the answer it was not sold any longer, since it was not updated for the new versions of Finale. I will buy! Who is the producer och the plug-in? I'd like to ask for a new version.

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Thanks. Yes I found it at last also...

But I still would like to have the Medieval plug-in updated...

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>...I still would like to have the Medieval plug-in updated...<

 

You get your wish! 

 

Robert Piéchaud Releases Medieval 2

http://www.finalemusic.com/blog/robert-piechaud-releases-medieval-2/

http://www.klemm-music.de/notation/medieval/en/index.php

 

Medieval 2 is compatible with Mac OS 10.7 and later (including Sierra 10.12).
The Windows version is coming soon, scheduled for the 2.1 release.
Medieval 2 runs with Finale 2012 and later versions (including Finale 25). It is recommended (although not required) to upgrade to Finale 25 for an optimal experience with Medieval 2.
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Hello to all,

For whom who are interested, the Medieval plug-in 2.1 has been released.

It notably includes support for Windows and add two new user interface languages (Spanish and Portuguese, on top of English, French, German, Italian and Latin…)

There are also bug fixes and some documentation improvements.

Last but not least, compatibility with Mac OS 10.13 High Sierra has been double-checked.

It is a free maintenance release for existing customers (and if you bought it for Mac, you can install it for Windows as well if you need it).

Best,
Robert

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Thanks for the update, Robert!

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