I think I figured out a way:

first create a sextuplet of 32th notes, then delete the last five a change the first 32th into a dotted 8th note. unfortunately this is not copiable: Finale changes the dotted 8th into a regular 8th during copying.

Ate there any solutions that are less cumbersome? Thanks!

Sorry fot the typos....

If you want correct playback, then enter the complete sextuplet. (all six notes)

If you just want to duplicate what you've posted, then just enter two dotted 8th notes, add the tremolo articulation, and use the expression tool or articulation tool to put a 6 above the notes. (you're not using the tuplet tool with this method)

I did it by setting the tuplet definition to 6, 32nd note in the space of 1, eighth note. Enter the dotted eighth, and (in simple) tap the numpad 9 to turn it into the sextuplet. Add the tremolo with the articulation tool. It's copyable.

But as Jeffrey said, for correct playback, you will need to enter the sextuplet as in the bottom measures of your example.

@Jeffrey: Thanks for your suggestion. I don't care that much about the correct playback however your method doesn't seem to work for the example I attached since there are too many counts in a bar. Am I overlooking something?

@Mike: Thanks for your reply. This works and takes less time as the procedure I figured out! Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be copyable, is that correct?

I've found that if you uncheck "Fill with rests at end of measure" in *Simple Entry Options*, creating the tuplet should be no problem and is copyable. That's probably why it works for MIKE ROSEN and not for you. It seems by auto-filling rests, Finale corrects the redundant tuplets.

… it doesn't seem to be copyable …

You probably mean that Finale retranscribes the rhythm, right?

For me, this does not happen if I copy with Stack Selection.

To make a Stack Selection of a single staff, first create a staff set of that single staff.

Then while viewing that staff set, you can make a Stack Selection.

By The Way:

In your attached graphic the notation is incorrect.

The tremolo articulation should only add two beams on an 8th, to get 32nds:

@George M.: "Fill with rests at end of measure" was already unchecked but copying wasn't possible.

@Peter T.: Thanks for clarifying but I'm afraid I don't follow. It's unclear to me how to make a Stack Selection by creating a staff set of a single staff.

… It's unclear to me how to make a Stack Selection by creating a staff set of a single staff …

Let us be scientific:

1) Stack Selection:

Open any (multi-staff) Finale document, and double-click any measure in the document.

Now that measure is selected as a Stack Selection - since you can see that the entire measure stack is selected (through all the staves).

Finale shows that the selection is a Stack Selection, by highlighting not only the measure stack, but also a (small) area above the top staff, and a (small) area below the bottom staff.

This {highlighted area above + area below} also appears in the case of a single staff, showing Stack Selection in the case of a single staff.

- And with Stack Selection you can copy the selected without the rhythm being re-transcribed.

2) Staff Set:

To create a Staff Set, switch to the Staff Tool, and switch to Scroll View (where you can always see all the staves).

Select the staff (or staves) you need in the Staff Set.

Then, while holding down the correct modifier key (Ctrl, I think; am not sure), go to

View menu > Staff Sets > Program Staff Set 1 (or Staff Set 2, or Staff Set 3, or …)

3) Staff Set of a single staff:

Follow the instructions in 2), but select only one staff.

4) To view a Staff Set (e. g. Staff Set 1), go to

View menu > Staff Sets > Select Staff Set 1

Now only the staves in that Staff Set will display - and you can make a Stack Selection of only the staves in that Staff Set.

I hope that this is clear?

Thanks Peter, your explanation is clear and I'm able to reproduce it!

One thing, though: Because of trying to reproduce this procedure, 3 Staff sets are now highlighted in my 'View - Select Staff Set' menu. How do I 'unselect' these?

… Because of trying to reproduce this procedure, 3 Staff sets are now highlighted in my 'View - Select Staff Set' menu. How do I 'unselect' these? …

I am not sure what problem you are trying to solve?

What happens if you - in the sub-menu Staff Sets - choose “All Staves”?

I found out that you have to click the highlighted 'Staff 1', 2, etc. again to unselect it.

I'm still having trouble trying to copy sextuplets (is that the correct English term?) to another staff or measure.

This time the examples looks like this (both in 2/4 bar):

and:

(btw, it was quite a work around to find out this notation....)

Copied, the examples look like this:

and:

Followed procedure: go to scroll view | select the measures + staffs I want to copy from and to (it is not possible to select two different measures in two different staffs) | create a Staff Set by selecting Staff Tool | in 'View - Select Staff Set - menu', select Staff 1 while holding Ctrl key | select and copy the measure into another measure (both in Staff Set). Result: see images.

Any advice appreciated! (constructing the desired notation by means of a work around for every single bar takes a lot of time....)

Just click outside a selected staff (with the selection tool) to deselect it.

Finale has never been able to select two different measures from two different staves.

In example one, it's a simple octave shift. Maybe instruments with different transpositions? Just select the measure, and tap the numpad 8 to drop it an octave. For the second example, I don't know why the triplets weren't copied. That may be a bug, because it did the same for me. Maybe you should open a support ticket for that.

Thanks for your reply Mike. The octave shift or transposition is not the problem here (they are indeed different transposing instruments), but the fact that the dotted quarter from the original is being copied as an eighth note.

Go ahead and send in a ticket. Meanwhile, I would be interested to know if anyone else gets the same results.

PETER's *staff set stack selection* method works just fine for me. I can copy a measure from the single-stave staff set and paste it in any other measure of any other staff without a problem.

Perhaps you are missing a step, Michel? Were you able to assign a *staff set*?

@George M.: I was able to assign a staff set. In scroll view only the selected staffs were visible. However, copying the intended measure(s) lead to the result as shown in the images above.

… In scroll view only the selected staffs were visible …

You told in an earlier post that you were trying to copy from one staff to another.

But in the quote above you mention selected staffs (plural).

To make a Stack Selection of a single staff you must use a Staff Set of only that single staff.

I repeated the procedure and made a Stack Selection (in Scroll View) of a single staff (in my case Staff Set 1). I already selected one measure and after creating the single staff stack selection I hit 'copy'. Then go back to: View - Select Staff Set - All Staves', select another measure in another staff and hit 'Paste'. These are the results with two different examples:

Example 1 (original):

After copying (don't mind the transposition):

Example 2 (original):

After copying:

Am I still forgetting something or is Finale not capable of copying this kind of notation?

Thanks!

Michael Havenith,

I repeated your steps, and the tuplets copied correctly for me.

1) Check the Copy Filter, just to make sure that nothing is de-selected (like e. g. Tuplet Definitions).

The menu item Use Filter (in the Edit menu) should be de-selected.

2) In your two examples you copied tuplets from two different staves.

This means that you must create two different Staff Sets, each of a single staff.

When you are viewing a Staff Set of a single staff, a Stack Selection should look like this (note the highlighting above and below the staff):

Could you attach a screen shot of your Stack Selection of a single staff?

Peter,

Thanks for your reply. You are right about selecting in Stack Selection with respect to the first example (message above), this measure copies correctly now. I had to select the measure I want to copy *again* in Stack Selection to make it work.

However, the example below:

(as selected in a single staff Stack Selection)

Copies correctly (as above) from one measure but looks tike this when copied from the same measure from another voice (following the same procedure):

Could it have something to do with the way the original measures are created? I remember I had to make a work around to create the sextuplets in these maesures. Thanks!

… Could it have something to do with the way the original measures are created? I remember I had to make a work around to create the sextuplets in these maesures …

Make sure that the original measures have been created with the correct time signature of 2/4.

You mention a “work around”.

Could that “work around” be that you (temporarily) changed the time signature to something bigger? like e. g. 6/8?

And perhaps you defined the tuplets incorrectly?

I tried to duplicate your problem, but for me the tuplets copied correctly.

Peter,

The original measures were in 2/4. I didn't change time signature at any time but I experienced that inorder to create this sextuplet notation:

I had to do the following: enter a dotted quarter - with 'Simple Entry Tuplet Definition' make 6 32nd(s) in the space of 1 dotted quarter - [number '6' appears above the dotted quarter] - with 'Simple Entry Tuplet Definition' make 6 32nd(s) in the space of 1 eight (note: this doesn't work if I enter 'dotted quarter' or even 'quarter' !) - [number '6' appears above the eight note] - change the eight in a dotted quarter.

After this procedure the notation is visibly correct (as above) but copies like this (using the single Stack Selection provedure):

Any help appreciated.

Michel Havenith,

To me your words do not make sense.

1) The attached graphic with the sextuplet notation you are trying to create, shows

{6 sixteenths in the space of 1 quarter}

This is a quite common tuplet.

Since each sextuplet fills one quarter, one full 2/4 contains two such sextuplets.

I tried to duplicate your problem, but for me the tuplets copied correctly.

2) … 6 32nd(s) in the space of 1 eighth …

This is a different sextuplet than the sextuplet notation you are trying to create.

The sextuplet should be defined as

6 sixteenths in the space of 1 quarter (= sextuplet with 16ths, one such sextuplet = 1 quarter)

No wonder why you could not make it copy correctly.

Perhaps you are confusing this with the sextuplets in your first post (at the top of this thread)? (= sextuplet with 32nds, one such sextuplet = 1 eighth; it takes four of them to fill a 2/4 measure)

Peter,

Thanks for your reply. Still confused... I tried again (example still in 2/4). Procedure: enter a quarter | with 'Simple Entry Tuplet Definition' make 6 16th(s) in the space of 1 quarter | result:

looking fine.

Next (for the second quarter) I enter a quarter | with 'Simple Entry Tuplet Definition' make 6 16th(s) in the space of 1 quarter | result:

Still looks fine. The next step seems to be the bottle neck. I change the first quarter and the two 16th rests into a dotted quarter. If I then try to do the same for the second (dotted) quarter, this appears to be not possible. I simply cannot change the second quarter into a dotted sextuplet-quarter. The closest I can get to, is:

Am I having this problem or can you reproduce this? Just to make sure: I'm trying to find a way to find a similar notation as below (in 2/4), which can be copied correctly.

Thanks!

Michael,

Please try this, following the directions step-by-step:

In Simple Entry Options, UNCHECK Check for extra notes.

Tap the 5 key, and enter a note.

Tap the . key, to make it a dotted quarter.

Hold down the ALT key, and tap the 9. This gets you into the tuplet definition mode.

In the next dialogue box, set up 6 sixteenths in the space of 1 dotted quarter. Click the Save as Default box, and tap OK.

(That should give you the first sextuplet.)

Tap the 5 key, and enter a quarter note.

Tap the . key.

Tap the 9 key.

(That should give you the second sextuplet.)

From this point on, all you need to do is enter the dotted quarter, and tap the 9 key. No need to go to the tuplet dialogue box.

Then, you can enter the tremolo slash.

This works for me, and copies correctly.

Michael, I'm in Seattle. If you are in the US, call me at 206 five two three 96 two 8, and I'll try to walk you through it.

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your reply. I followed the steps you described exactly (I had to uncheck the 'check for extra notes' option). The first sextuplet looks ok. When I try to replicate the line "Tap the 5 key, and enter a quarter note." for the second time (about halfway), this is what I get:

I guess that is not what it should be?

Thanks for your offer to call but I'm at the other end of the globe, in The Netherlands.

Mike Rosen,

I am afraid I do not understand one step in your instructions, sorry!

Here are my own steps (in Simple Entry):

“In Simple Entry Options, UNCHECK Check for extra notes.

Tap the 5 key, and enter a note.

Tap the . key, to make it a dotted quarter.

Hold down the ALT key, and tap the 9. This gets you into the tuplet definition mode.

In the next dialogue box, set up 6 sixteenths in the space of 1 quarter.“ (not 6 sixteenths in the space of 1 dotted quarter)

The rest of my steps are the same as yours.

PS:

You may prefer to change the Tuplet Shape from Bracket to Nothing.

To modify all tuplets “at one fell swoop”, select the region (Selection Tool), and use the utility:

Utilities menu > Change > Tuplets…

Peter,

You are correct. My mistyping error.

But that brings up a question. Why are the dots needed? If you have two quarter notes, each containing 6, 16th notes, doesn't that fill the 2/4 measure?

Mike & Peter,

Just wanted to let you know that with the last change Mike suggested, it works AND the measure can be copied. Thank a lot for your help!

Were do I mention this item is 'solved'?