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I am trying to do something that appears to be documented in the user guide, but doesn't seem to work.  I am writing a "layered" section that is played 2 times; once with the low instruments (its a work for brass), and on the repeat, the higher voices are added to the voices. played on the first path, so that all are playing. 

The user guide explains how to do this (I think) very clearly - use the Expression Designer, and click on the "Play Only on Pass" checkbox, and fill in the desired pass - in my case with a "2".  Sounds simple enough. 

So, I finished the 1st pass arrangement, went back to where the repeat was and wrote in 4 measures of the high brass part, and then used the expression tool and clicked on the 1st note, the expression dialog box popped up, I selected "Technique Text" and then clicked on the "Create Technique text" button.  The Expression Designer dialog started up, and I went to the playback tab, checked the "Play only" box, and entered a 2 in the box, and clicked on "OK".  The designer disappeared, and on the original dialog box, I clicked on Assign, and the box closed, and my new Technique text name appeared in the score.  So far everything works as expected. 

I then started the playback before the beginning of the repeated section, but the high part plays on the first pass, as well as the second.  Not working as explained, for sure.  I went back and checked my new Technique Text entry, and it appears as I expected it too, with the playback checked.  I thought perhaps I was using an inappropriate selection on the inital assignment of the "2X Only" text, so I deleted it from my score, and setarted over with an "Expressive Text" instead.  The results were the same. 

I found another entry in the community forum that was 9 months old, stating a very similar problem, although that person used "Miscellaneous Text".  His didn't work either.  The response was well intended, but not at all helpful; it explained a possible way one might "work around" the problem, but was not long on detail.  It involved switching the instrument to an Open Midi channel, which is much more technical than I want to attempt, and I consider myself a bit of a techie, having worked in software design for over 30 years. 

It leads me some  questions, and some conclusions. 

First, am I using the right selection from the Espression box when I create the entry in the first place.  It would not appear to matter, as the dialog box stays the same, and if Miscellaneous doesn't work, and my 2 don't work, then why would the others be different??

Second, is there a length of time that such an expression change is "Good" (for example, a Ritard seems to last about 3 measures, then goes back to the original tempo, or at least seems to work that way to me.  Putting in an "a Tempo" seems to end the ritard.  I would expect that a second Expressive Text entry is needed to cancel, but that isn't explicitly stated that I have seen so far.

So, my conclusions are that this is not working as designed, based on the manual, and the way everything seems to function as stated in the User Guide.  I can only conclude that this either a Bug (broken code), or worse yet, Working as Coded, but not following the design/user documentation.  Has an incident/problem ever been submitted on this problem, and if so what is its status?

The work around is appreciated, but requires more technical understanding of the MIDI synthesizer than I think the average user, or at least myself, possess. 

So what do others think?

 

Technical Stuff -  I'm using a Lenovo Laptop, Running Windows 10 with the latest Finale release (I think) 25.4.1.152

 

Thanks for your time in looking at this.

 

Jerry

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It can be done. I've done it, but so rarely that I can never remember how.

 

But in the time you took to write about it, you could have simply duplicated the file for a playback version, and written it out!

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What did you tell the expression to DO on the first pass? Just checking first pass only applies what else you have told it to do, and that is where setting the MIDI channel to an empty slot (and setting it back later) come in.

 

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"Play Only on Pass X" actually means : apply the value in question in pass X. If the above value is zero (Type = Key velocity or Controller -> Volume), Play Only on Pass 1 with set to value 0 will mean silence during Pass 1.

You will need a second expression te get back to a volume of 64 on Pass 2. 

 

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OK - I see part of the problem, I think, but the logic still escapes me.  I am not using MIDI playback, I am using VST.  When I select MIDI playback as an option, I get nothing out of my Laptop - I have no external or internal MIDI equipment.  Do all of the options specified here (in the expressions editor only appear to MIDI playback, and not VST? 

 

Following the replies above, I set the Key Velocity to 0, and indicated that this should be applied to pass 1.  I am not sure that this is an appropriate setting, because the instrument that I want to not play is a trumpet, but it seems there is not a lot of logic involved here, but the net effect of this change is that the first time through, I still have a trumpet playing.  I would have set Controller Volume to 0, but that option does not appear in the drop down list.

 

Is the problem that I am doing VST, and not MIDI?  I want to share this with a person who has no MIDI equipment either, so keeping this as simple as possible.  It also seems that having to adapt what I write to fit the software - in this case duplicate a 32 bar section just because I can't figure out how to make the playback stop and start is not a "User Friendly" solution. 

 

Jerry

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… Is the problem that I am doing VST, and not MIDI? …

 

Yes.

To mute a VST instrument, assign it to an unused channel.

To make it play again, change it back.

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Jerry,

 

You are confusing MIDI channels with General MIDI sounds. The Garritan Aria player is an internal MIDI VST device. Finale communicates with it via MIDI channels. Check out the following link.

 

https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/213702988-Tacit-on-Playback- 

 

Also, sustaining VST instruments (violin, trumpet, etc.) do not control volume the same way percussive instruments (xylophone, piano, harp) do; so the Volume parameter will not affect all instruments the same.

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