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I was one of the first guys back in Germany to start using Finale. A lot has happened since then. Do you younger folks even know that Finale once was the unrivaled notation software for Mac and PC? Well, sleeping through the years, Finale has completely missed the train and has now been taken over by even free notation software like Musescore at Colleges and otherwise. No iPad version, a user interface that is completely outdated, sluggish in so many ways, and still not fun to learn at all. At my College 95 percent of our students now prefer Musescore over Finale. Is Finale better? Sure, especially if you need the advanced features it offers, like I do. But this is not enough to bring in new customers. 

To demonstrate how far behind Finale is, just think of the fact that it doesn't even have a key command editor. Yes, we still can not add our own key commands to a menu idem. 

Or try to option-drag text or a chord symbol to quickly duplicate it. No luck there. We can not even select non-consecutive music and copy it.

So many things young people are used to won't work in Finale. Yes, I am still using it, because I used it for 25 years. Would I start learning it today, probably not. Sad!

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And your point is…???

I have long noted the many issues with finale including missing features. Some things  can be made up for via plugins but yes, lots of stuff needs to be brought into 2022. At the same time I’ve been able to make do for a few decades now. But yeah, they will lose market share if they don’t start to innovate. I think musescore is less a threat than Dorico. If this were many years ago I’d likely give up and learn Dorico. But it’s 2022 and I don’t have time to compose let alone learn another notation program. My sense is that the main advantage of Musescore is its price. That’s it. But good that there are choices. 

anyhoo, good luck kvetching. If you have ideas for enhancements please send them to MM. Yeah, text has always sucked but at least we have file sharing. Yay (???). 

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The best alternative is TuxGuitar, which is both free and Open Source. Other great apps like MuseScore are Guitar Pro (Paid), Avid Sibelius (Freemium), LilyPond (Free, Open  In Finale, go to File → MusicXML → Export . If your version of Finale can't export to MusicXML, or if you  192.168.l.254   want a more accurate export, download the Dolet plugin. Once you have a MXL or XML file,  Source) and Rosegarden (Free, Open Source).

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Musescore is not even in the same zipcode as Finale. I have heard rumors that Musescore 4 is about to be released so we'll see if that brings it closer. At KU in the music department where I am very familiar the kids use Musescore for only one reason. It doesn't cost anything. Music majors are generally broke all the time. Perhaps it doesn't sound like it but music is an expensive degree.

I have a good friend that makes his living composing  music. He uses Sibelius. He is a Sibelius power user. Believe me Sibelius has its own set of quirks. Dorico just isn't ready for prime time yet.

 

MM or any company don't do things because, one of, or both of, two reasons. No money to do it or don't have the technical talent to do it. Companies are always looking to conserve resources whenever possible. MM management apparently doesn't see a real return spending such resources in improving Finale. Not enough bang for the buck. Somebody in a management position sold the file sharing feature as a big deal and all would embrace it. Nobody I know has however!

The smufl font upgrade was a real upgrade and will be a strong advantage as it matures.

One thing for sure is MM could help by not being so closed off from its user base. I keep remembering how the old MM people were and how different the Boulder folks are. Again, probably money, the lack thereof.

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MuseScore is free and worth every ¢. This assumes that one can stand the workflow. I cannot but, if you can, knock yourself out.

 

I own current licenses to six notation products. They're tools and I use what gets the job done.

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I get it, but dealt with our son using his version of MuseScore last night trying to do a music homework assignment and it was really really painful. It was like being condemned to use Simple Entry in Finale but even worse than that (sorry to those simple entry devotees out there). As much as we all tend to kvetch about Finale's many longstanding issues, it is just so much more capable than MuseScore. I'm sure Sibelius and Dorico (both of which I've never used) are similarly capable (and Dorico has a few nice features that Finale would be smart to consider). But MuseScore, at least from what I witnessed, can be painful. At least for someone who is new at it like my 20-year-old son.

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I try them all and I always realize Finale is the best especially when you add certain plug-ins. And, Musescore isn't that bad either once you get to know its terminology and how it operates. If you want to try the worst music editor get Smart Score Pro 64. That is the most convoluted music editor out there.

I don't like some very important features in Sibelius like it printing function and score layout. Finale lets you make your score anyway you want but Sibelius tries to make you to do it how it wants to. 

 

Finale could be the top notch notation software available anywhere with easy enhancements but it seems MM is steadfast against any of them. They think the industry want file sharing. Perhaps it does what do I know? Well for one I don't.

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I think, to your earlier point that you've made in other threads as well, it's not just a matter of lack of capital or lack of skill, it's also a matter of prioritization. I find it hard to believe that the engineers/programmers at MM can't do some of the things that are found in some competing products like Dorico or Sibelius. It might be $, sure (I have no way of knowing). But it also may be a matter of whether or not some feature requests rise to the top. If enough people make it known that updated versions of JW Plugins are critical for using Finale moving forward, then that's something that might rise to a higher priority. Same with enhancing how accidentals are handled (I've seen the preferences setup for Dorico online and it's more inclusive and useful than how Finale handles accidental checking, and even better than JW Accidentals, since I can't make any changes to the latter without it crashing Finale). 

So $, talent but more importantly, prioritization is what drives things in terms of software development. You want something in Finale, let it be known to the team at MM. I've done that and feel like they are very receptive to enhancement suggestions. But for sure, it isn't a matter of programming skill; they are fine in that area. Keep in mind they are also dealing with a lot of legacy code; that also affects what can be bolted onto existing software and in some cases, it might not be wise to do it that way even if technically possible. 

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Here's how Dorico handles accidentals as various options. This would be nice to have in Finale, for example. Same with how they now handle note insertions; much better than how it's done in Finale IMHO.

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