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Since upgrading to MacOS Monterey, I am not able to print, save as PDF, save as PS, any file containing EPS graphics. Both Finale 26 and 27 immediately crash. Version 27 seems to drop EPS graphics support altogether. Can someone recreate this with Finale 26 so I know it's not only me?

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Are you able to save a PDF via the graphics tool?

 

 

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Using v26 in Big Sur I have not been able to reproduce the problem.

 

Just as a test (not as a solution):

 

What happens if you use a PDF graphic (instead of EPS graphic)?

Does that work? (It works for me)

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It worked for me in Big Sur as well but not since upgrading to Monterey. I have hundreds of files with EPS inserts already. Using PDF instead of EPS never worked properly since Finale rasterizes the inserted PDF. 

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…  Using PDF instead of EPS never worked properly since Finale rasterizes the inserted PDF …

 

That is not my experience.

For me the inserted PDF is never rasterized.

 

What you are seeing, is perhaps a TIFF preview, instead of the “real” PDF?

You get an option to include a TIFF preview.

If you de-select the option for TIFF preview, you should not see any rasterization.

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Peter,

There is no TIFF preview option when you export graphics as PDF. TIFF preview is for EPS files only. "Allow Transparency" is the only option when exporting to PDF. EPS file handling has always been a problem on the Mac. I wouldn't make a fuss about this if I only needed to print performance materials...

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Sorry, I was not clear.

I assumed that you created PDF by converting EPS (containing a TIFF preview) to PDF.

If that is not the way, you create PDF, then I can not explain why you get a rasterized PDF.

All I can say, is that PDF works properly for me.

I am still on Big Sur.

That could be the explanation.

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I've been testing this with another Mac running Big Sur and I am still getting the inserted PDFs rasterized on the screen, print, and PDF/PS export. If you are able to use the imported PDFs as pure vector graphics I'd be delighted to know how...

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These steps work for me (using Finale v26 on Big Sur 11.6.2):

 

First, have the vector PDF file ready in a folder (let us call this folder the PDF folder).

 

Open the Finale document (view it in Page View).

Graphics Tool.

Double-click on the page.

Finale displays a directory dialog box. Navigate to the PDF folder, and select the PDF file.

The PDF file is inserted on the page.

While still being in the Graphics Tool, click on the inserted PDF vector graphic, to select it.

Graphics menu > Attributes…

You get to the dialog Graphic Attributes where you can manipulate the selected graphic (= adjust positioning and scaling).

On my screen the graphic is clear and not rasterized, at least for me - even of I zoom in to a high zoom percentage.

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What happens when you generate PDF with inserted graphic? Is the Inserted graphic still vector based or pixelated? This is what I get when I use PDF for the trill:

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… What happens when you generate PDF with inserted graphic? …

 

My steps:

1) Insert PDF vector graphic in a Finale document.

The inserted graphic displays fine, not pixellated, also when I zoom in to a high zoom percentage.

2) “Print” the Finale document to a PDF file.

In the resulting PDF file the inserted graphic displays fine, not pixellated, also when I zoom in to a high zoom percentage.

 

NB:

As inserted PDF graphic I used an “Ossia” measure, created in Finale.

You may get a different result if you insert a PDF vector graphic created in another computer program (e. g. Illustrator).

In that case you may have to “transmogrify” the PDF first, e. g. with the Mac OS program Preview.

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Yes, I get the same. Files with EPS crash on print.

PDF images imported onto the page will appear bitmapped when that page is printed or exported.

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Version 27 seems to drop EPS graphics support altogether.

 

Correct—at least that is my understanding. I read that just a few days ago but cannot find it now.

 

Since a 27 install affects 26, I would re-install 26 and see if you can get it working again there — it does for me but not 27. Trying to solve a number of issues that I've had, it's possible that my 26.3 install post-dates 27.1 on my machine.

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You can fool version 27 to insert EPS file by giving the file PDF extension. It will properly import and print/export in BigSur. However, Monterey will not allow any printing or saving as PDF. This feels like beta testing...

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You can fool version 27 to insert EPS file by giving the file PDF extension. It will properly import and print/export in BigSur. However, Monterey will not allow any printing or saving as PDF. This feels like beta testing...

 

Huh?

Fixed Defects in Finale 27.0

  • Embedded graphics. Finale documents containing an embedded EPS graphic that is linked to an external file now retain the file path of the EPS graphic. See Graphics.

 

Otherwise, printing and graphics export to pdf is working fine over Monterey for me.

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...Otherwise, printing and graphics export to pdf is working fine over Monterey for me.

Even EPS (or PDF) maintaining vector image for the inserted graphics on the final PDF?

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You seem to assume that EPS is a unified format. This document from the Library of Congress goes over the benefits and problems of still trying to use it.

https://www.loc.gov/preservation/digital/formats/fdd/fdd000246.shtml 

 

Interoperability issues: Judging from information found in help files for graphics software and associated user forums, interoperability problems are common with EPS files. The Wikipedia entry for Encapsulated PostScript states "Unfortunately, with several different ways of representing the preview, they have limited portability. An application which is unable to interpret an EPS file's preview will typically show an empty box on screen, but it will be able to print the file correctly." Even across Adobe products, the EPS files created by different applications (for example, Illustrator, InDesign, Photoshop) have different structures and may or may not support different preview types. See a selection of Adobe help files in Useful References below.

 

I have no dog in this fight. The death knell for EPS was being rung a dozen years ago. A few years back, someone on this board wanted to argue with everyone over the fact that PostScript printers are no longer being made anymore.

 

My only suggestion remains: Reinstall 26.3 and see what happens. Otherwise, see if MM Support can help you by using the Submit a request link at the top of this page.

 

Good luck.

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I don't assume anything.

All I wanted was if someone can recreate my very specific and clearly defined problem I was having with the latest versions of Finale and Mac OS involving EPS file format. That's it! I must have had a reason to use EPS all of these years...

 

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