... and the "Feature Requests" section is a joke. Very few visitors and no reactions to pertinent suggestions. Zzzzz.

Yes, it is disappointing that good feature requests get no reactions from the MakeMusic staff - and very few reactions from other users.

I could be wrong here, but I think that David Cusick is from the MakeMusic staff.

See the Feature Request thread

Enter cresc/decresc for multiple staves

where the discussion is about new options for the Copy Filter

By The Way:

In the Feature Request section some of the forum user’s questions should be posted in the Problems & Questions section instead.

I’ve little to add here except that I agree.

Don't MM know there is a competition out there Dorico for example, the advertisements from Dorico is there giving you heaven and earth. What do you hear from MM nothing. Wake up MM from your slumber!

So far, Dorico promises far more than it delivers. It’s naive to think that MM and Avid are unaware of what Yamaha is doing. However, the silence helps nobody.

When 25 was coming, there were blog and email releases talking about future development. Haven’t seen much of that lately. 

The stillness is deafening! Let's hear something a direction or something.

As Peter said:

"By The Way: In the Feature Request section some of the forum user’s questions should be posted in the Problems & Questions section instead."

I cannot agree more. Those threads should be moved, and that they appear in the Features section at all suggests a design flaw in the Forum UI.

Adrian,

That's probably more by user error than by design flaw. But still, a moderator should move them to the correct forum.

>...But still, a moderator should move them to the correct forum.<

A Moderator. Now there's an idea. Perhaps I should put that into Feature Requests?

Mike R,

I say it's the user interface because when one enters a new topic, the pull-down at the bottom of the message does not default to the Questions/Features forum you came from. That means it is too easy for a novice user to leave a question in the features area by choosing the first option that says "Finale."

Zendesk may be super for Customer Relations Management (CRM); but their forum software still stinks, and yes, MM needs to moderate their forums, not just pretend to now and then.

I used to check in here quite often, like everyday, when the old forum existed. I tried the new forum for a bit after it was launched, but I quickly gave up.

I decided to check in today for fun and alas it appears not much has changed:  The forum format still sucks (REALLY HORRIBLE) and MakeMusic still could care less about its customer base.  Could it be more obvious?  When we all leave permanently, then what?

Maybe I will check in again in 8 months and see if things change?  Maybe not...

Why can't they listen to there customer base! Without us they could close shop!

I think it's high time that Gear Fisher, CEO of Peaksware (the owner of Make Music), checked in with the users of Finale via this group. His communication might educate Finale users on the current state of Finale, and reassure us all that there are short range and long range plans for future development of the software. Mr. Fisher, Finale has a PR problem!

An excellent suggestion, Bruce. Mr. Fisher, are you listening?

>Why can't they listen to there customer base! <

No reason to think no one is listening. In fact, recent posts have told us that they are. I imagine that it’s the same as any other software company where engineers counter with, “If users think this s*** is so easy, let them write it!

I’ve been on all sides of this issue. 

>Final has a PR problem!<

Also true. Marketing needs to show signs of life again, the way they did between 2014.5 and 25. 

Even though users like I are not interested in Dorico (yet?), Yamaha has been very active in letting me know what’s going on.

If MM, Finale will project some enthusiasm as Dorico is showing, they are everywhere. I won't be worried.

MM does seem awfully quiet. I hope they're still in business and working on Finale and thinking of its future, Why? Because having spent many hours in the last couple of weeks with Dorico, I can't imagine ever switching. Maybe the paradigm for entering music is so different from Finale that my brain won't let me make the switch. Maybe I'm old. For me, it's confusing, tedious, and frustrating. There are some things I like, but many I don't - it's too keyboard based for me. I've tried many of the alternatives to Finale, but so far there isn't one that is as good and none with the huge amount of add ons you can get.

...I always had the feeling that MM is not more than a "one-man-band"...    -but then again; some of the good shareware-developers that ARE one developer companies, take users extremely serious and often react to wishes and suggestions in a whiff...

-Shouldn't be ignored, though:  FINALE© is a rediculously complex software!  -and on top of that, it's pumped up like a party-ballon with rubber from 1987 !!  (hinting towards; it's an OLD basis they still are building on...).

I'm not sure that ANY developer can get hired by MM and just dive in to help.  -I think it is more than darn problematic. 

Mostly, though, I think the shoes are tight on the money issue:   I doubt that any serious money can be done, nowadays, with scoring-softwares.    -unless you -like Steinberg/Dorico-  claim that you invented the wheel anew!!...     wich they've managed to do...  somewhat.   But STILL, I think that Finale has its VERY strong sides...   and since I know it by heart, I have terrible problems in getting it rolling with my Dorico scores.

I'm not sure that MM actually has "a staff of programmers in house" anywhere...   I guess that they just hire a bunch of programmers at certain periods, and create new versions of the softwares.  I can't explain the roaring silence in between the updates otherwise.  (This is the way I would do it, also, if I owned the company).   IF they HAVE inhouse programmer(s) at MM, they are probably working on other things than Finale right now...  or are sipping Piña Colladas 330 days a year on a Beach in Brazil.  Otherwise the minor bug-fixes and user-response would be more direct.   I don't know.   I just think it's a shame, really  -  because FINALE was ALWAYS the top of the pops!   -I personally think that it wouldn't be impossible to keep it up there...   just alongside with Dorico.

I decided to check back in after 8 days instead of 8 months.  It is noted that no one from MM chose to say anything whatsoever.  As expected...

Cimarron Press,

If you are referring specifically about this thread, there is an official MM statement directly below the OP.

>I decided to check back in after 8 days instead of 8 months.  It is noted that no one from MM chose to say anything whatsoever.  As expected...<

You should read the whole thread. MM posted the day before your first little rant. Apparently, you missed it. 

Actually, that’s a poor move on MM’s part, or on the forum software, or whatever. They post the “official” response right under the OP, regardless of following posts. It’s understandable that someone returning to check on a thread would scroll straight to the bottom. I’ve done it, myself.

Agreed. I had to check the dates to make sure I was right.

@David Cusick
What's with the direction MM is going , we don't hear from them on this flank. I want to be assured that Finale won't go under suddenly with all the new competition. What is MM doing? Please address this issue .

MIke Halloran,

I read the whole thread and therefore my followup post.  MM stated "There are definitely some important concerns here from everyone" and then PROMPTLY ignored the rest of the thread.  That is what they do.  

"While we do intend on increasing our visual presence here moving forward, do know that we have been monitoring the conversations here and they have not gone unnoticed. Although the forums are largely focused towards user interaction and discussion, many of the topics and ideas here are important factors in how Finale and it's community develop and, as such, an official presence from us will absolutely be maintained. "

I guess they forgot.

So you admit that you are no better than those you are criticizing. You only check in every so many weeks or months, and you ignore most of the thread.

People such as Peter and the Mikes and others who have invested in the success of this thread have legitimate suggestions to make, and I hope MM will listen. People who just jump in to posture and whine really are not helping make either Finale or this forum more productive.

Although I appreciate you passing judgement on me (that was sarcasm), for reference I have forwarded enough bugs over the years to fill an Ark, I have had phone meetings with some of the programmers and even communicated with a past CEO which led to some changes.  But you are right that I "just jump in to posture and whine", so I will step aside and move away from the Forum once again.

I will now happily go back to making a living with Finale rather than visiting the Forum.

It’s clear that many of you are interested in what’s in store for Finale, so I wanted to share an update with you. As many of you know, we have released six updates for Finale v25 (25.1, 25.2, 25.3, 25.4, 25.4.1, 25.5) since its release in August of 2016, and we are most certainly working on another release of Finale as we speak.

While we’re not quite at a point where we can share all the details of what this new release will contain or how it might be delivered, there are some key priorities guiding our work. You may have seen me mention some of these priorities in other threads, including collision avoidance issues, Mac performance and hi-resolution monitor work. Even though the details are a bit limited for now, there definitely will be more to come.

Thanks Peter Thomsen, for directing me to this thread! I posted my question about this issue on the feature request forum because it's exactly there where there's not happening very much.